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"Utopia is a state of unhindered, continual learning at your own chosen pace." That's a very specific view of Utopia that I suggest most regular folk would not

"Utopia is a state of unhindered, continual learning at your own chosen pace." That's a very specific view of Utopia that I suggest most regular folk would not agree with, moreover, it's a bit odds with metaphysical kind of utopias from antiquity. Knowledge is ultimately still material, not necessarily enlightening. It's part of the dualist 'trap' that keeps us focused on what's right in front of our noses, 'playing some game' engaged in materiality. To me, bits of knowledge are just bits of lego blocks, tools for helping us describe experience. Remember in Abrahamic terms were 'cast out of Eden/Heaven' literally for eating from the 'Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil', i.e. the start of dualism and this never ending thirst for knowledge which distracts us from simply 'being'. You see this in eastern philosophies as well with 'attachment' to things, including knowledge. But I do like your point about supply/demand perhaps (think of it especially in terms of social status, not material things especially) and constantly needing something, in your case, knowledge/learning. Neat thought.

shrimp_emoji 8y ago
>That's a very specific view of Utopia that I suggest most regular folk would not agree with The pain of learning and remembering and the zero-sum nature of forgetting make me disagree with it, but you can call all of those "hindrances". If I could swell my processing speed and memory capacity to absurd levels and become one of many god-like intelligences, able of satisfying all of my curiosities with any and all facets of reality with no particularly strenuous effort before, as a last resort, exercising my power to mutate my mind to the point where I put myself in ceaseless ecstasy for its own sake (in these dimensions or the others[0]), that has to qualify as the definition of paradise. Let's hope we crack the conservation of energy sometime. : p 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sublimed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sublimed
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  From a classical view, maybe you're wanting more and more intellectual heroin. The Eastern answer would be to 'let go' then you break the cycle of incarnation and then you 'get it'. I think high level Abrahamic metaphysics would put 'God' far beyond any kind of acquisition of knowledge, 'states of ecstasy' etc. etc.. Once we crack the law of conservation of energy we'll be up against another boundary :)
perilunar 8y ago
> Remember in Abrahamic terms were 'cast out of Eden/Heaven' literally for eating from the 'Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil' No they weren't. They were expelled to prevent them eating from the tree of life: "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever. Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." (Genesis 3:22-23)
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  Your reference supports my thesis. Because they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Evil, God gave them the boot because they then might eat from the Tree of Life. So yes, you can get me on a technicality, maybe if the Tree of Life did not exist, maybe they wouldn't have been punted ... but ... it was their 'eating from the tree' that was the action that really got the ball moving on the eviction notice.

shrimp_emoji 8y ago

>That's a very specific view of Utopia that I suggest most regular folk would not agree with The pain of learning and remembering and the zero-sum nature of forgetting make me disagree with it, but you can call all of those "hindrances". If I could swell my processing speed and memory capacity to absurd levels and become one of many god-like intelligences, able of satisfying all of my curiosities with any and all facets of reality with no particularly strenuous effort before, as a last resort, exercising my power to mutate my mind to the point where I put myself in ceaseless ecstasy for its own sake (in these dimensions or the others[0]), that has to qualify as the definition of paradise. Let's hope we crack the conservation of energy sometime. : p 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sublimed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sublimed

sonnyblarney 8y ago
From a classical view, maybe you're wanting more and more intellectual heroin. The Eastern answer would be to 'let go' then you break the cycle of incarnation and then you 'get it'. I think high level Abrahamic metaphysics would put 'God' far beyond any kind of acquisition of knowledge, 'states of ecstasy' etc. etc.. Once we crack the law of conservation of energy we'll be up against another boundary :)

perilunar 8y ago

> Remember in Abrahamic terms were 'cast out of Eden/Heaven' literally for eating from the 'Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil' No they weren't. They were expelled to prevent them eating from the tree of life: "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever. Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." (Genesis 3:22-23)

sonnyblarney 8y ago
Your reference supports my thesis. Because they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Evil, God gave them the boot because they then might eat from the Tree of Life. So yes, you can get me on a technicality, maybe if the Tree of Life did not exist, maybe they wouldn't have been punted ... but ... it was their 'eating from the tree' that was the action that really got the ball moving on the eviction notice.