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Vivaldi Browser: Chrome engine, no personal data collected

54 points by netgusto 8y ago

m_b 8y ago
As it isn't open-source, how can you trust this? What certify me that my data are safely stored and don't sold to commercial partners??
- simias 8y ago
  I have the same reaction. I'd sooner use Firefox with a few privacy-enhancing extensions.
  - m_b 8y ago
    I'm running Chromium with HTTPS everywhere, uBlock Origin, Wappalyzer (curiosity purpose) & Bitwarden (password manager). It's the best setup I found regarding performances & energy consumption for my GNU/Linux laptops.
    - moystard 8y ago
      It might be in terms of performance and energy consumption, but it is clearly not when it comes to privacy.
      - amelius 8y ago
        Could you explain, what privacy issues exist with Chromium?
        vetinari 8y ago
        From https://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/api-keys https://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/api-keys: > Some features of Chromium use Google APIs, and to access those APIs, either an API Key or a set of OAuth 2.0 tokens is required. Setting up API keys is optional. If you don't do it, the specific APIs using Google services won't work in your custom build, but all other features will run normally. From experience, running without API key means that the browser will nag you at every start. If it doesn't, you do have them and then the browser uses APIs mentioned on the page.
        morganvachon 8y ago
        This was one of the more egregious ones from a few years ago; since fixed, but as far as I'm concerned the trust was permanently broken (what's to stop them from doing something similar and hiding it better, after all this made it past the package maintainer until a user complained). https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909
        dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
        By the way, I think this comment [0] sums it up well for many HN folks: > As a web developer, I like chrome. As a private person, I uninstalled it. You might call it a feature or a core extension, most people consider this spyware. [0] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=491435#c12 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=491435...
- dvdgsng 8y ago
  What data are you afraid of being stored and sold exactly? Does Vivaldi route your traffic through company servers?
  - m_b 8y ago
    Stuff like my browser fingerprint, what extensions am I using, what website am I browsing, what operating system am I running, what is my location, etc. It's not about conspiracy theories, just acknowledging that we don't know what's happening under the hood.
    - dvdgsng 8y ago
      And how is this related to Vivaldi in particular? How is it different from any other software and service out there? You don't know what websites do with your client data (fingerprint, extensions, etc), what cookies they write & read and who are they selling that data to. If there are no laws preventing them from doing such BS, all you can do is trust, believe and hope they do the right thing (GDPR is a move in the right direction here). Having a basic understanding of the internet and tracking helps, using proper tools to help yourself is even better (cookie manager, uMatrix, uBlock and alike).
      - m_b 8y ago
        It's not related to Vivaldi in particular, it's related to the fact that you must give a blind trust to all non open-source browser you decide to use.
      - morganvachon 8y ago
        > You don't know what websites do with your client data (fingerprint, extensions, etc), what cookies they write & read and who are they selling that data to. You can take actions within the browser and on your network to mitigate what websites can and can't do with your data. However, if your browser itself is compromised and closed source, there's nothing you can do about it and you can't even be sure what data is being extracted and used.
    - 8y ago
- serverlesscloud 8y ago
  Only the third party code- chromium and vivaldis changes on top are all public
  - m_b 8y ago
    They may be "public", they still aren't open-source, see r3b1's comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17950642 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17950642
da_murvel 8y ago
A colleague of mine tried Vivaldi 1.5 years ago, while he liked the split screen feature he found it way too slow and it had serious lagging issues from time to time. Much can happen in 1.5 years and I don't know if they were using V8 back then. But yeah, what I saw wasn't really that impressive. And no open source? Yeah, I think I'll stick with Firefox and my tinfoil hat extensions a while longer.
- dvdgsng 8y ago
  Performance is just fine, no issues running dozens of tabs daily, no "lagging" whatsoever. And split screen is amazing, yes.
m0nty 8y ago
I moved back to Firefox after an update to Vivaldi started lagging badly when I woke up my PC. Maybe it was an extension, but after disabling some of them I realised I don't really have time or inclination to find out. Another thing I didn't like was the re-purposing of the F6 button so it didn't highlight the URL any more (I guess I could change this; not sure) and the history page, which seemed quite confusing whenever I tried to use it. It's not a bad browser but neither is it so good I want to put up with those times it breaks or does something gratuitously different.
nerdbeere 8y ago
I'm missing a "Why we are doing this" section on the website. It's not open-source and I wonder what their motivation is. How are they making money?
- jhoh 8y ago
  Vivaldi ships with a load of preselected bookmarks. Mainly big news sites and some online stores. It seems like there is some affiliate marketing going on there. Some of these bookmarks link to a vivaldi.com page that redirects you to a siteplug.com page which again redirects you to the actual page. Example bookmark: AliExpress -> https://vivaldi.com/bk/aliexpresscom-us https://vivaldi.com/bk/aliexpresscom-us -> http://ww2.siteplug.com/fly?${tracking http://ww2.siteplug.com/fly?${tracking params} -> https://best.aliexpress.com/?${more https://best.aliexpress.com/?${more tracking params} Siteplug seems to be the service with they use to monetize the traffic. Notice that the redirect link doesn't offer a https version. Neither does their website [0] that also just shows me a dead bird on most pages [1]. [0]: http://siteplug.com http://siteplug.com [1]: http://siteplug.com/for-partners http://siteplug.com/for-partners
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- JdeBP 8y ago
  Well you could always turn to an encyclopaedia. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)#History
- jonmccull 8y ago
  Re: "Why we are doing this", see https://vivaldi.com/company/ https://vivaldi.com/company/ From wiki: > "Vivaldi began as a virtual community website that replaced My Opera, which was shut down by Opera Software in March 2014.[15] Jon Stephenson von Tetzchner was angered by this decision because he believed that this community helped make the Opera web browser what it was. Tetzchner then launched the Vivaldi Community—a virtual community focused on providing registered users with a discussion forum, blogging service, and numerous other practical web services—to make up for My Opera's closure. Later, on January 27, 2015, Vivaldi Technologies launched—with the community in mind[16]—the first technical preview of the Vivaldi web browser." -- As for income, it's the standard browser model – partnerships with default search engines and bookmarks.
romanovcode 8y ago
Closed-Source. No thank you.
- abbiya 8y ago
  https://vivaldi.com/source https://vivaldi.com/source
  - m_b 8y ago
    No thanks, just throwing a tarball a someone else face is not making anything "open-source".
  - r3bl 8y ago
    That's source available, not open source. You can view the source, but you can't contribute to it, create forks, etc. Source available is one of the prerequisites for software to be considered open source, but not the only one.
  - mkl 8y ago
    They have a page [1] asking the question "Is Vivaldi Open Source?" which does not answer in the affirmative. Instead, it says "for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit", which is quite a different thing. [1] https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/ https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/
baal80spam 8y ago
Firefox is slow as molasses for me, Chrome-based browsers feel SO MUCH snappier - I'm talking about things like e.g. tab-detaching. I moved fully to Vivaldi about half a year ago and I couldn't be happier. There are only 2 issues I've encountered so far: - sometimes, video in full screen is flickering (known issue) - sometimes, when the tab is closed while playing video in full screen, the whole browser UI disappears and the only way to fix this is to kill and restart the browser - the obvious workaround is to never close the tab while being in full screen Other than that I'm very impressed with Vivaldi. Gestures, clean and USABLE interface, web panels are great features that I can hardly work without anymore.
- Semaphor 8y ago
  Firefox speed was always holding me back. With the new Chrome update, Chrome became slower for me, tried FF (hadn't since Quantum) and it's now actually faster than Chrome for me. So I switched :)
- safanycom 8y ago
  This is a tuned version of open-source Chromium with extra ergonomics. Made by the original Opera dev since they split a few years ago. Twenty years track record in making fast and secure stuff. Why just use one browser??? I always have four or more and Vivaldi is #1 or #2 but FF is my mail/chat because of the containers
emilsedgh 8y ago
Saw that Tell HN yesterday about Chrome logging you in to Gmail. Switched to Firefox. It's so damn fast nowadays (it wasn't up until a while back) Good job at amazing people at Mozilla. You're killing it.
- supuun 8y ago
  And UI is better than chrome IMO. Built-in dark mode rules.
mosselman 8y ago
I tried Vivaldi a few days ago as Firefox, despite their efforts to up performance, is still far too slow for me. The disadvantage I found that Vivaldi has is the number of extensions is basically 0 (please correct me if I am wrong). Installing chrome extensions is possible if you build from source and bake in the extensions, which is not something I am interested in. I currently use Opera, but I am unsure about the privacy. Opera works very well though and there is an extension that allows installing chrome-extensions which works out very well. Any thoughts on Opera's privacy?
- dvdgsng 8y ago
  You can install any Chrome extension using the regular Chrome web store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/ Link is on the "Apps" page: vivaldi://apps
  - mosselman 8y ago
    Wow, how strange. I just reinstalled vivaldi and checked and I couldn't install extensions because 'Add to Chrome' read 'Available on Chrome', redirecting me to a chrome download page. After refreshing the button changes to 'Add to chrome'!? Either way, now I CAN install extensions. Thanks for making me retry.
- a-ve 8y ago
  They were bought out by a Chinese consortium a few years ago. Other than that, they have an in-built VPN (SurfEasy) that mines your data: https://www.surfeasy.com/privacy_policy/ https://www.surfeasy.com/privacy_policy/
  - mosselman 8y ago
    Thanks for pointing this out to me. Seeing as I was wrong about the chrome extension support I'll give them another try!
- petra 8y ago
  What are the benefits of Opera over chrome?
netgusto 8y ago
Is Vivaldi Open Source? https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/ https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/ Short answer: no. Long answer: no, but... Vivaldi is not made available under one unified open source license. It does contain the Chromium source code with changes made to allow the HTML/CSS/JS based UI to run. All changes to the Chromium source code are made available under a BSD license and can be read by anyone on vivaldi.com/source/. Details in this regard are explained in the the README and LICENSE files within the package. In addition, our UI code is written in plain, accessible code for those who read HTML, CSS and JS. This means that for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit. Vivaldi also contains third party code. Licenses for these parts can be found in the source package and in the installed browser by navigating to vivaldi://credits
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samuell 8y ago
How does it differ from Brave [0]? (Which is also based on Chrome, is free and open source, and well integrated even in Xubuntu, for the latest dev version [1]) [0] https://brave.com https://brave.com [1] https://brave.com/download-dev/ https://brave.com/download-dev/
- netgusto 8y ago
  In addition to what you noted, Brave has an integrated Ad-blocking / Tracker blocking software enabled by default + an integrated way to compensate content producers for the incurring loss of revenue. Vivaldi has some neat features like Tab stacks and Split screen.
- drcongo 8y ago
  You can actually dock the dev tools to the side of the window in Vivaldi.
mysterydip 8y ago
I would be more convinced in their "we respect and protect your right to privacy" if there wasn't a "we use cookies to enhance your experience" banner at the top.
Theodores 8y ago
Developer mindshare is important for the success of a browser and, right now, if I go to 'caniuse' there are all of the main browsers plus a few that have no interest to me - old I.E., 'Opera Mini' and so on. For Vivaldi to get a little bit further they need to become a first class browser that developers think about, test with and talk about.
- netsharc 8y ago
  It uses the same engine as Chrome/Chromium, my guess would be in 99% if not 100% of cases they will behave the same.
bdz 8y ago
ungoogled-chromium is what I use https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium
- thunderbong 8y ago
  Thanks for that. I hadn't heard of it before. Will give it a shot as well.
thunderbong 8y ago
The main reason I like Vivaldi is because I can use a lot of the functionality which I could get in the old Opera (ver 12 and earlier). The keyboard controls (especially the single key shortcuts) save a huge amount of time. An example would be to navigate across tabs, or close all the tabs on the right (or left) are a huge timesaver. Additionally, viewing pages in the reader view (again with a single key shortcut) gets rid of all the unnecessary stuff on the web page. People who remember the power of the old Opera browser should give this a shot.

54 points by netgusto 8y ago

m_b 8y ago

As it isn't open-source, how can you trust this? What certify me that my data are safely stored and don't sold to commercial partners??

simias 8y ago
I have the same reaction. I'd sooner use Firefox with a few privacy-enhancing extensions.
- m_b 8y ago
  I'm running Chromium with HTTPS everywhere, uBlock Origin, Wappalyzer (curiosity purpose) & Bitwarden (password manager). It's the best setup I found regarding performances & energy consumption for my GNU/Linux laptops.
  - moystard 8y ago
    It might be in terms of performance and energy consumption, but it is clearly not when it comes to privacy.
    - amelius 8y ago
      Could you explain, what privacy issues exist with Chromium?
      - vetinari 8y ago
        From https://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/api-keys https://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/api-keys: > Some features of Chromium use Google APIs, and to access those APIs, either an API Key or a set of OAuth 2.0 tokens is required. Setting up API keys is optional. If you don't do it, the specific APIs using Google services won't work in your custom build, but all other features will run normally. From experience, running without API key means that the browser will nag you at every start. If it doesn't, you do have them and then the browser uses APIs mentioned on the page.
      - morganvachon 8y ago
        This was one of the more egregious ones from a few years ago; since fixed, but as far as I'm concerned the trust was permanently broken (what's to stop them from doing something similar and hiding it better, after all this made it past the package maintainer until a user complained). https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909
        dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
        By the way, I think this comment [0] sums it up well for many HN folks: > As a web developer, I like chrome. As a private person, I uninstalled it. You might call it a feature or a core extension, most people consider this spyware. [0] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=491435#c12 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=491435...
dvdgsng 8y ago
What data are you afraid of being stored and sold exactly? Does Vivaldi route your traffic through company servers?
- m_b 8y ago
  Stuff like my browser fingerprint, what extensions am I using, what website am I browsing, what operating system am I running, what is my location, etc. It's not about conspiracy theories, just acknowledging that we don't know what's happening under the hood.
  - dvdgsng 8y ago
    And how is this related to Vivaldi in particular? How is it different from any other software and service out there? You don't know what websites do with your client data (fingerprint, extensions, etc), what cookies they write & read and who are they selling that data to. If there are no laws preventing them from doing such BS, all you can do is trust, believe and hope they do the right thing (GDPR is a move in the right direction here). Having a basic understanding of the internet and tracking helps, using proper tools to help yourself is even better (cookie manager, uMatrix, uBlock and alike).
    - m_b 8y ago
      It's not related to Vivaldi in particular, it's related to the fact that you must give a blind trust to all non open-source browser you decide to use.
    - morganvachon 8y ago
      > You don't know what websites do with your client data (fingerprint, extensions, etc), what cookies they write & read and who are they selling that data to. You can take actions within the browser and on your network to mitigate what websites can and can't do with your data. However, if your browser itself is compromised and closed source, there's nothing you can do about it and you can't even be sure what data is being extracted and used.
  - 8y ago
serverlesscloud 8y ago
Only the third party code- chromium and vivaldis changes on top are all public
- m_b 8y ago
  They may be "public", they still aren't open-source, see r3b1's comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17950642 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17950642

da_murvel 8y ago

A colleague of mine tried Vivaldi 1.5 years ago, while he liked the split screen feature he found it way too slow and it had serious lagging issues from time to time. Much can happen in 1.5 years and I don't know if they were using V8 back then. But yeah, what I saw wasn't really that impressive. And no open source? Yeah, I think I'll stick with Firefox and my tinfoil hat extensions a while longer.

dvdgsng 8y ago
Performance is just fine, no issues running dozens of tabs daily, no "lagging" whatsoever. And split screen is amazing, yes.

m0nty 8y ago

I moved back to Firefox after an update to Vivaldi started lagging badly when I woke up my PC. Maybe it was an extension, but after disabling some of them I realised I don't really have time or inclination to find out. Another thing I didn't like was the re-purposing of the F6 button so it didn't highlight the URL any more (I guess I could change this; not sure) and the history page, which seemed quite confusing whenever I tried to use it. It's not a bad browser but neither is it so good I want to put up with those times it breaks or does something gratuitously different.

nerdbeere 8y ago

I'm missing a "Why we are doing this" section on the website. It's not open-source and I wonder what their motivation is. How are they making money?

jhoh 8y ago
Vivaldi ships with a load of preselected bookmarks. Mainly big news sites and some online stores. It seems like there is some affiliate marketing going on there. Some of these bookmarks link to a vivaldi.com page that redirects you to a siteplug.com page which again redirects you to the actual page. Example bookmark: AliExpress -> https://vivaldi.com/bk/aliexpresscom-us https://vivaldi.com/bk/aliexpresscom-us -> http://ww2.siteplug.com/fly?${tracking http://ww2.siteplug.com/fly?${tracking params} -> https://best.aliexpress.com/?${more https://best.aliexpress.com/?${more tracking params} Siteplug seems to be the service with they use to monetize the traffic. Notice that the redirect link doesn't offer a https version. Neither does their website [0] that also just shows me a dead bird on most pages [1]. [0]: http://siteplug.com http://siteplug.com [1]: http://siteplug.com/for-partners http://siteplug.com/for-partners
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JdeBP 8y ago
Well you could always turn to an encyclopaedia. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)#History
jonmccull 8y ago
Re: "Why we are doing this", see https://vivaldi.com/company/ https://vivaldi.com/company/ From wiki: > "Vivaldi began as a virtual community website that replaced My Opera, which was shut down by Opera Software in March 2014.[15] Jon Stephenson von Tetzchner was angered by this decision because he believed that this community helped make the Opera web browser what it was. Tetzchner then launched the Vivaldi Community—a virtual community focused on providing registered users with a discussion forum, blogging service, and numerous other practical web services—to make up for My Opera's closure. Later, on January 27, 2015, Vivaldi Technologies launched—with the community in mind[16]—the first technical preview of the Vivaldi web browser." -- As for income, it's the standard browser model – partnerships with default search engines and bookmarks.

romanovcode 8y ago

Closed-Source. No thank you.

abbiya 8y ago
https://vivaldi.com/source https://vivaldi.com/source
- m_b 8y ago
  No thanks, just throwing a tarball a someone else face is not making anything "open-source".
- r3bl 8y ago
  That's source available, not open source. You can view the source, but you can't contribute to it, create forks, etc. Source available is one of the prerequisites for software to be considered open source, but not the only one.
- mkl 8y ago
  They have a page [1] asking the question "Is Vivaldi Open Source?" which does not answer in the affirmative. Instead, it says "for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit", which is quite a different thing. [1] https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/ https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/

baal80spam 8y ago

Firefox is slow as molasses for me, Chrome-based browsers feel SO MUCH snappier - I'm talking about things like e.g. tab-detaching. I moved fully to Vivaldi about half a year ago and I couldn't be happier. There are only 2 issues I've encountered so far: - sometimes, video in full screen is flickering (known issue) - sometimes, when the tab is closed while playing video in full screen, the whole browser UI disappears and the only way to fix this is to kill and restart the browser - the obvious workaround is to never close the tab while being in full screen Other than that I'm very impressed with Vivaldi. Gestures, clean and USABLE interface, web panels are great features that I can hardly work without anymore.

Semaphor 8y ago
Firefox speed was always holding me back. With the new Chrome update, Chrome became slower for me, tried FF (hadn't since Quantum) and it's now actually faster than Chrome for me. So I switched :)
safanycom 8y ago
This is a tuned version of open-source Chromium with extra ergonomics. Made by the original Opera dev since they split a few years ago. Twenty years track record in making fast and secure stuff. Why just use one browser??? I always have four or more and Vivaldi is #1 or #2 but FF is my mail/chat because of the containers

emilsedgh 8y ago

Saw that Tell HN yesterday about Chrome logging you in to Gmail. Switched to Firefox. It's so damn fast nowadays (it wasn't up until a while back) Good job at amazing people at Mozilla. You're killing it.

supuun 8y ago
And UI is better than chrome IMO. Built-in dark mode rules.

mosselman 8y ago

I tried Vivaldi a few days ago as Firefox, despite their efforts to up performance, is still far too slow for me. The disadvantage I found that Vivaldi has is the number of extensions is basically 0 (please correct me if I am wrong). Installing chrome extensions is possible if you build from source and bake in the extensions, which is not something I am interested in. I currently use Opera, but I am unsure about the privacy. Opera works very well though and there is an extension that allows installing chrome-extensions which works out very well. Any thoughts on Opera's privacy?

dvdgsng 8y ago
You can install any Chrome extension using the regular Chrome web store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/ Link is on the "Apps" page: vivaldi://apps
- mosselman 8y ago
  Wow, how strange. I just reinstalled vivaldi and checked and I couldn't install extensions because 'Add to Chrome' read 'Available on Chrome', redirecting me to a chrome download page. After refreshing the button changes to 'Add to chrome'!? Either way, now I CAN install extensions. Thanks for making me retry.
a-ve 8y ago
They were bought out by a Chinese consortium a few years ago. Other than that, they have an in-built VPN (SurfEasy) that mines your data: https://www.surfeasy.com/privacy_policy/ https://www.surfeasy.com/privacy_policy/
- mosselman 8y ago
  Thanks for pointing this out to me. Seeing as I was wrong about the chrome extension support I'll give them another try!
petra 8y ago
What are the benefits of Opera over chrome?

netgusto 8y ago

Is Vivaldi Open Source? https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/ https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/ Short answer: no. Long answer: no, but... Vivaldi is not made available under one unified open source license. It does contain the Chromium source code with changes made to allow the HTML/CSS/JS based UI to run. All changes to the Chromium source code are made available under a BSD license and can be read by anyone on vivaldi.com/source/. Details in this regard are explained in the the README and LICENSE files within the package. In addition, our UI code is written in plain, accessible code for those who read HTML, CSS and JS. This means that for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit. Vivaldi also contains third party code. Licenses for these parts can be found in the source package and in the installed browser by navigating to vivaldi://credits

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samuell 8y ago

How does it differ from Brave [0]? (Which is also based on Chrome, is free and open source, and well integrated even in Xubuntu, for the latest dev version [1]) [0] https://brave.com https://brave.com [1] https://brave.com/download-dev/ https://brave.com/download-dev/

netgusto 8y ago
In addition to what you noted, Brave has an integrated Ad-blocking / Tracker blocking software enabled by default + an integrated way to compensate content producers for the incurring loss of revenue. Vivaldi has some neat features like Tab stacks and Split screen.
drcongo 8y ago
You can actually dock the dev tools to the side of the window in Vivaldi.

mysterydip 8y ago

I would be more convinced in their "we respect and protect your right to privacy" if there wasn't a "we use cookies to enhance your experience" banner at the top.

Theodores 8y ago

Developer mindshare is important for the success of a browser and, right now, if I go to 'caniuse' there are all of the main browsers plus a few that have no interest to me - old I.E., 'Opera Mini' and so on. For Vivaldi to get a little bit further they need to become a first class browser that developers think about, test with and talk about.

netsharc 8y ago
It uses the same engine as Chrome/Chromium, my guess would be in 99% if not 100% of cases they will behave the same.

bdz 8y ago

ungoogled-chromium is what I use https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

thunderbong 8y ago
Thanks for that. I hadn't heard of it before. Will give it a shot as well.

thunderbong 8y ago

The main reason I like Vivaldi is because I can use a lot of the functionality which I could get in the old Opera (ver 12 and earlier). The keyboard controls (especially the single key shortcuts) save a huge amount of time. An example would be to navigate across tabs, or close all the tabs on the right (or left) are a huge timesaver. Additionally, viewing pages in the reader view (again with a single key shortcut) gets rid of all the unnecessary stuff on the web page. People who remember the power of the old Opera browser should give this a shot.