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Yeah that's not a rotating door of anything. Both those executives were with the company for 2-5 years before they decided to leave. Wheeler was almost certainl

by dnomad 8y ago

Yeah that's not a rotating door of anything. Both those executives were with the company for 2-5 years before they decided to leave. Wheeler was almost certainly fired because Musk wanted Ahuja back. Consider that the announcement of Ahuja's return occured one day after Wheeler's announcement. Sorry, this entire narrative you have invested in of executives running for the hills just has no relation to reality.

matwood 8y ago
And the head HR person. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/another-tesla-executive-leaves-this-time-its-hr-boss-gaby-toledano-report.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/another-tesla-executive-leav... > Sorry, this entire narrative you have invested in of executives running for the hills just has no relation to reality. TSLA supporters thinking everything is fine are the ones that have no relation to reality.
- smolder 8y ago
  So then short the company and make your money? Why do you have to publicly trash talk them so hard if your analysis has merit?
  - matwood 8y ago
    I was long TSLA for a long time and made good money. I sold them off in the $350s once I decided they still had a very long road ahead, and they were already priced to execute perfectly. I've shorted them off and on, but shorting requires more time than I have to spend watching stocks right now. Other problems with shorting is that the market can stay irrational longer than I can stay solvent. TSLA has a huge fanboy level following that ignores any financial metric. I almost entered another short after the $420 tweet, but I thought no way would Musk commit fraud and lie. > Why do you have to publicly trash talk them so hard if your analysis has merit? I also do not think pointing out facts is trashing them. Again, all of this bad news and press is of TSLAs/Musk own doing. Stop over promising and under delivering. Stop acting crazy in public. Stop losing $700M+/quarter. Stop committing what looks like fraud.
- 9935c101ab17a66 8y ago
  yah but that's not what you said. damn, I think Tesla is an incredibly dysfunctional company and has a lot of problems, but you're literally making things up. admit you were wrong and you're initial statement was completely inaccurate and move on.
  - matwood 8y ago
    From the original article: Tesla has long struggled with high turnover involving its senior executives, and its finance team in particular has gone through a period of significant tumult. In the first quarter of this year, the company lost Morton’s predecessor, Eric Branderiz, and Susan Repo, who was treasurer and vice president of finance. CFO Deepak Ahuja retired in 2015, only to return last year when his successor, Jason Wheeler, quit after just 15 months. And I said: > A rotating door of financial executives screams financial problems. 3 (4 if you count the return of Ahuja to fill in) CFO/CAOs in the last 3 years. - Ahuja - Wheeler - Ajuha - Branderiz - Morton This doesn't count the VPs that have come and gone or other executives. More than 50 vice presidents or higher have left the company in the past two years. Mr. Musk has said he sees executive turnover as being in line with that of other large companies and has announced plans for a reorganization aimed at flattening the layers of managers. [1] Please tell me where I'm making things up. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-appears-to-smoke-marijuana-on-camera-in-lengthy-interview-1536318688 https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-appears-to-smoke-mari...

by dnomad 8y ago

matwood 8y ago

And the head HR person. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/another-tesla-executive-leaves-this-time-its-hr-boss-gaby-toledano-report.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/another-tesla-executive-leav... > Sorry, this entire narrative you have invested in of executives running for the hills just has no relation to reality. TSLA supporters thinking everything is fine are the ones that have no relation to reality.

smolder 8y ago
So then short the company and make your money? Why do you have to publicly trash talk them so hard if your analysis has merit?
- matwood 8y ago
  I was long TSLA for a long time and made good money. I sold them off in the $350s once I decided they still had a very long road ahead, and they were already priced to execute perfectly. I've shorted them off and on, but shorting requires more time than I have to spend watching stocks right now. Other problems with shorting is that the market can stay irrational longer than I can stay solvent. TSLA has a huge fanboy level following that ignores any financial metric. I almost entered another short after the $420 tweet, but I thought no way would Musk commit fraud and lie. > Why do you have to publicly trash talk them so hard if your analysis has merit? I also do not think pointing out facts is trashing them. Again, all of this bad news and press is of TSLAs/Musk own doing. Stop over promising and under delivering. Stop acting crazy in public. Stop losing $700M+/quarter. Stop committing what looks like fraud.
9935c101ab17a66 8y ago
yah but that's not what you said. damn, I think Tesla is an incredibly dysfunctional company and has a lot of problems, but you're literally making things up. admit you were wrong and you're initial statement was completely inaccurate and move on.
- matwood 8y ago
  From the original article: Tesla has long struggled with high turnover involving its senior executives, and its finance team in particular has gone through a period of significant tumult. In the first quarter of this year, the company lost Morton’s predecessor, Eric Branderiz, and Susan Repo, who was treasurer and vice president of finance. CFO Deepak Ahuja retired in 2015, only to return last year when his successor, Jason Wheeler, quit after just 15 months. And I said: > A rotating door of financial executives screams financial problems. 3 (4 if you count the return of Ahuja to fill in) CFO/CAOs in the last 3 years. - Ahuja - Wheeler - Ajuha - Branderiz - Morton This doesn't count the VPs that have come and gone or other executives. More than 50 vice presidents or higher have left the company in the past two years. Mr. Musk has said he sees executive turnover as being in line with that of other large companies and has announced plans for a reorganization aimed at flattening the layers of managers. [1] Please tell me where I'm making things up. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-appears-to-smoke-marijuana-on-camera-in-lengthy-interview-1536318688 https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-appears-to-smoke-mari...