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I'd be fine with "30% from any country in the EU", but "30% from my country" is torture. I mean, have you even seen what movies Germany produces? If I could sta

by pluma 8y ago

I'd be fine with "30% from any country in the EU", but "30% from my country" is torture. I mean, have you even seen what movies Germany produces? If I could stand any of that rubbish, I'd be watching cable TV, not Netflix.

probably_wrong 8y ago
You mean "The lives of others"? "Run Lola Run"? "Goodbye Lenin"? "Wir Kinder Vom Bahnhof Zoo"? "Fack ju Göhte"? I know there are bad German movies. But with the biggest film studio in Europe being right next to Berlin, I think saying "there are no good German movies" it's a bit too much. The fact alone that there are decent German movies for children seems to me like a plus - I probably won't go see "Das schönste Mädchen der Welt", but I'm not opposed to it. Disclaimer: I liked Danni Lowinski, and would like to watch Deutschland 83.
- tomjen3 8y ago
  That is less than 10 movies and Wir kinder.. is old enough that my mother saw it in the cinema as a youngster. You might find a few more, but "Der Untergang" is on Netflix, not because they were required to, but because it is good. I fear for the same as a Dane, Danish movies are crap.
  - Apocryphon 8y ago
    Danes made The Killing, though.
    - tomjen3 8y ago
      Yeah, I mean it is supposed to be really good, but I never got around to see it, partly because it is Danish.
- EpicEng 8y ago
  >Wir Kinder Vom Bahnhof Zoo You had to reach back 37 years to fill out your list of... five movies. That's a bit telling, no?
  - probably_wrong 8y ago
    I thought it was clear that those are the top movies I could think off the top of my head while on the bus. It was not intended to be a comprehensive list of the achievements of modern German cinema. Sorry for not making that point clearer.
    - EpicEng 8y ago
      Ok, but then I don't see how that's a very good argument at all. You thought of a few movies you like; that doesn't mean Germany consistently produces good cinema.
- pluma 8y ago
  I didn't say there are no good German movies. I said I don't like most German movies. Logically speaking "30% German movies" means that for every German movie there can be only 2-3 movies from _any other country_ (including UK, France, Spain, or other countries that aren't the US). I'd be fine with a restriction like "30%+ EU movies" or even "50%+ EU movies" (or even "50%+ EU movies, including at least 10% German"). But _German_ movies specifically? That's pointlessly nationalistic. There isn't 1 good German movie for every 2-3 good international movies. Even personal preference aside the numbers simply don't add up if you assume that there at least two other countries producing as many good movies as Germany does. So this won't mean more "Goodbye Lenin", it will mean more "Hui Buh, das Schlossgespenst". If we're lucky. If we're not lucky, it won't mean less Hollywood blockbusters, it will mean less international non-Hollywood movies. Because the Hollywood blockbusters are reliable money printing machines. So instead of having a lot of Hollywood movies and also a lot of international movies (including several movies from Asia and South America) and a select few German movies, we'll end up with a lot of Hollywood movies and a lot of German movies, basically the same thing you see on regular TV. Just look at it from Netflix's perspective: you want to add Black Panther because people will want to watch it. To keep the quote you'll have to add another German movie but you can also fit in another international one. Which international movie will you pick? Another Hollywood superhero movie or a lesser known French movie?
adventured 8y ago
Out of curiosity as an American looking to learn more about European cinema, which countries in continental Europe would you say produce the best movies?
- jnurmine 8y ago
  Frankly, I don't know which ones produce the best movies in general as this is somewhat subjective. There are gems from all countries and often there is a co-operation between countries. However, since I especially like Swedish crime drama, I can give you specific recommendations of crime drama movies and TV-series from Sweden and other countries. * Snabba Cash I, II, III ("Easy Money" I, II, III) * Wallander (yeah, the original Swedish one - there are many) * Beck (there are many) * Jägarna ("The Hunters", there's two) * Midnight Sun ("Midnattssol"; TV series taking place in Lappland) The latter is a French-Swedish production which is, I think, a good example of what the directive of the article intends to create more. In addition to watching a crime drama of the kind which you might not have not seen, you get to sight-see places as they are. I especially liked the visual appearance of The Midnattssol since it takes place in Lappland, which I think is beautiful in a rugged way. Also, you may have seen Hollywood remake of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. There's a Swedish original which can be interesting to watch. A Swedish-Danish series called "The Bridge" (Bro) is very good, but I have not seen it. An Italian (actually Italian-German) series called "Gomorrah" is very good too, I heard. I have not seen that either, though. I have yet to fully explore all the crime drama from other European countries; I've seen some Finnish ones (like "Vares") and they were OK too. Hope this helps. Edit: forgot Snabba Cash III!
- Semaphor 8y ago
  Not a direct answer, but for TV (serialized crime/police) shows it's the Scandinavian countries. Then the US comes and makes a usually far inferior copy of it.
  - pluma 8y ago
    Also UK? Luther, Cracker, Broadchurch come to mind. Even the UK version of Law & Order was surprisingly watchable.
ivan_gammel 8y ago
I'm regularly watching new German movies and they are quite often good. And certainly not worse than Netflix originals. Cannot say anything about TV shows, though.
nikanj 8y ago
Growing up in the EU, pretty much all german content we saw was porn. And pretty much all the porn we saw was german. Looking back, I’m morbidly curious what sort of weird chain of events lead to this.
- pluma 8y ago
  That says more about your porn preferences than about German cinema, though.

by pluma 8y ago

probably_wrong 8y ago

You mean "The lives of others"? "Run Lola Run"? "Goodbye Lenin"? "Wir Kinder Vom Bahnhof Zoo"? "Fack ju Göhte"? I know there are bad German movies. But with the biggest film studio in Europe being right next to Berlin, I think saying "there are no good German movies" it's a bit too much. The fact alone that there are decent German movies for children seems to me like a plus - I probably won't go see "Das schönste Mädchen der Welt", but I'm not opposed to it. Disclaimer: I liked Danni Lowinski, and would like to watch Deutschland 83.

tomjen3 8y ago
That is less than 10 movies and Wir kinder.. is old enough that my mother saw it in the cinema as a youngster. You might find a few more, but "Der Untergang" is on Netflix, not because they were required to, but because it is good. I fear for the same as a Dane, Danish movies are crap.
- Apocryphon 8y ago
  Danes made The Killing, though.
  - tomjen3 8y ago
    Yeah, I mean it is supposed to be really good, but I never got around to see it, partly because it is Danish.
EpicEng 8y ago
>Wir Kinder Vom Bahnhof Zoo You had to reach back 37 years to fill out your list of... five movies. That's a bit telling, no?
- probably_wrong 8y ago
  I thought it was clear that those are the top movies I could think off the top of my head while on the bus. It was not intended to be a comprehensive list of the achievements of modern German cinema. Sorry for not making that point clearer.
  - EpicEng 8y ago
    Ok, but then I don't see how that's a very good argument at all. You thought of a few movies you like; that doesn't mean Germany consistently produces good cinema.
pluma 8y ago
I didn't say there are no good German movies. I said I don't like most German movies. Logically speaking "30% German movies" means that for every German movie there can be only 2-3 movies from _any other country_ (including UK, France, Spain, or other countries that aren't the US). I'd be fine with a restriction like "30%+ EU movies" or even "50%+ EU movies" (or even "50%+ EU movies, including at least 10% German"). But _German_ movies specifically? That's pointlessly nationalistic. There isn't 1 good German movie for every 2-3 good international movies. Even personal preference aside the numbers simply don't add up if you assume that there at least two other countries producing as many good movies as Germany does. So this won't mean more "Goodbye Lenin", it will mean more "Hui Buh, das Schlossgespenst". If we're lucky. If we're not lucky, it won't mean less Hollywood blockbusters, it will mean less international non-Hollywood movies. Because the Hollywood blockbusters are reliable money printing machines. So instead of having a lot of Hollywood movies and also a lot of international movies (including several movies from Asia and South America) and a select few German movies, we'll end up with a lot of Hollywood movies and a lot of German movies, basically the same thing you see on regular TV. Just look at it from Netflix's perspective: you want to add Black Panther because people will want to watch it. To keep the quote you'll have to add another German movie but you can also fit in another international one. Which international movie will you pick? Another Hollywood superhero movie or a lesser known French movie?

adventured 8y ago

Out of curiosity as an American looking to learn more about European cinema, which countries in continental Europe would you say produce the best movies?

jnurmine 8y ago
Frankly, I don't know which ones produce the best movies in general as this is somewhat subjective. There are gems from all countries and often there is a co-operation between countries. However, since I especially like Swedish crime drama, I can give you specific recommendations of crime drama movies and TV-series from Sweden and other countries. * Snabba Cash I, II, III ("Easy Money" I, II, III) * Wallander (yeah, the original Swedish one - there are many) * Beck (there are many) * Jägarna ("The Hunters", there's two) * Midnight Sun ("Midnattssol"; TV series taking place in Lappland) The latter is a French-Swedish production which is, I think, a good example of what the directive of the article intends to create more. In addition to watching a crime drama of the kind which you might not have not seen, you get to sight-see places as they are. I especially liked the visual appearance of The Midnattssol since it takes place in Lappland, which I think is beautiful in a rugged way. Also, you may have seen Hollywood remake of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. There's a Swedish original which can be interesting to watch. A Swedish-Danish series called "The Bridge" (Bro) is very good, but I have not seen it. An Italian (actually Italian-German) series called "Gomorrah" is very good too, I heard. I have not seen that either, though. I have yet to fully explore all the crime drama from other European countries; I've seen some Finnish ones (like "Vares") and they were OK too. Hope this helps. Edit: forgot Snabba Cash III!
Semaphor 8y ago
Not a direct answer, but for TV (serialized crime/police) shows it's the Scandinavian countries. Then the US comes and makes a usually far inferior copy of it.
- pluma 8y ago
  Also UK? Luther, Cracker, Broadchurch come to mind. Even the UK version of Law & Order was surprisingly watchable.

ivan_gammel 8y ago

I'm regularly watching new German movies and they are quite often good. And certainly not worse than Netflix originals. Cannot say anything about TV shows, though.

nikanj 8y ago

Growing up in the EU, pretty much all german content we saw was porn. And pretty much all the porn we saw was german. Looking back, I’m morbidly curious what sort of weird chain of events lead to this.

pluma 8y ago
That says more about your porn preferences than about German cinema, though.