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This is an argument against US operators. Higher density means higher utilization and therefore ROI for each cell tower. European cities with higher density tha

This is an argument against US operators. Higher density means higher utilization and therefore ROI for each cell tower. European cities with higher density than Manhattan have far better mobile and wired internet.

dixie_land 8y ago
but higher density also means much more interference so it is technically much harder to achieve good speed
- WhompingWindows 8y ago
  Does that apply to ethernet lines though? Those would still be dwarfed by other economies' speeds, right?
  - tedunangst 8y ago
    Stupid Apple removed the Ethernet jack from my phone.
    - mrguyorama 8y ago
      Hilariously, with their addiction to USB C and dongles, haven't they now provided a reasonable ability to connect Ethernet into your phone?
      - enzanki_ars 8y ago
        iPhones still use the lightning port, and Ethernet to lightning ports are a bit on the pricey side. Also, while I hate t link to a lifehacker article, the lead photo is pretty hilarious in terms of the need for that many adapters to connect an iPad or iPhone to Ethernet and to keep it charged. (https://lifehacker.com/hack-together-a-way-to-connect-an-ipad-or-iphone-over-e-1770270331 https://lifehacker.com/hack-together-a-way-to-connect-an-ipa...) Android isn't much better, but at least it uses a more common and cheaper USB-micro or USB-C.
guiomie 8y ago
Not an expert here, but aren't there more constraints such a spectrum if you have more population density? You can only fit some much data in an air band no?
- phobosdeimos 8y ago
  Build more towers. Which ofcourse means investing money and not paying dividends to investors. I pay €35 per month for unlimited 4G, internet neutrality included.
  - weberc2 8y ago
    I think the GP is talking about saturation of the frequency band. "Build more towers" doesn't solve this problem.
    - noselasd 8y ago
      It does to a great extent. You provide more towers that each has a smaller coverage area.
      - weberc2 8y ago
        Ah, sounds like I'm mistaken then.
      - joquarky 8y ago
        Also there is cell sectorization, which is why most cell towers are arranged in triangles of antenna arrays.
  - rixed 8y ago
    > Build more towers. Not always doable and never free.
    - checkyoursudo 8y ago
      Not always doable, but who is asking for free service? I already pay for shitty service. I would be willing to continue to pay for improved service.

dixie_land 8y ago

but higher density also means much more interference so it is technically much harder to achieve good speed

WhompingWindows 8y ago
Does that apply to ethernet lines though? Those would still be dwarfed by other economies' speeds, right?
- tedunangst 8y ago
  Stupid Apple removed the Ethernet jack from my phone.
  - mrguyorama 8y ago
    Hilariously, with their addiction to USB C and dongles, haven't they now provided a reasonable ability to connect Ethernet into your phone?
    - enzanki_ars 8y ago
      iPhones still use the lightning port, and Ethernet to lightning ports are a bit on the pricey side. Also, while I hate t link to a lifehacker article, the lead photo is pretty hilarious in terms of the need for that many adapters to connect an iPad or iPhone to Ethernet and to keep it charged. (https://lifehacker.com/hack-together-a-way-to-connect-an-ipad-or-iphone-over-e-1770270331 https://lifehacker.com/hack-together-a-way-to-connect-an-ipa...) Android isn't much better, but at least it uses a more common and cheaper USB-micro or USB-C.

guiomie 8y ago

Not an expert here, but aren't there more constraints such a spectrum if you have more population density? You can only fit some much data in an air band no?

phobosdeimos 8y ago
Build more towers. Which ofcourse means investing money and not paying dividends to investors. I pay €35 per month for unlimited 4G, internet neutrality included.
- weberc2 8y ago
  I think the GP is talking about saturation of the frequency band. "Build more towers" doesn't solve this problem.
  - noselasd 8y ago
    It does to a great extent. You provide more towers that each has a smaller coverage area.
    - weberc2 8y ago
      Ah, sounds like I'm mistaken then.
    - joquarky 8y ago
      Also there is cell sectorization, which is why most cell towers are arranged in triangles of antenna arrays.
- rixed 8y ago
  > Build more towers. Not always doable and never free.
  - checkyoursudo 8y ago
    Not always doable, but who is asking for free service? I already pay for shitty service. I would be willing to continue to pay for improved service.