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I was just thinking "nobody tell them about youtube-dl"! I wouldn't be surprised if half of these YouTube-to-MP3 sites are using it in the background - why woul

by bArray 8y ago

I was just thinking "nobody tell them about youtube-dl"! I wouldn't be surprised if half of these YouTube-to-MP3 sites are using it in the background - why wouldn't they? Should be pretty easy to containerize the program. I actually wonder sometimes how they are able to provide these conversions given progressions in ad-blockers. There is absolutely no way to stop pirating. Long before the internet was fast enough (or even existing) people were recording songs with phones, copying tapes, ripping records, etc. Anything a human can hear can be recorded. Anything that a human can see can be recorded. It's a losing battle. There is evidence to suggest it helps improve sales overall [1] [2]. Like most laws, this will probably have the biggest impact on poorer people who can't afford to buy every single at the price point they charge. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy... [2] https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_s...

tim333 8y ago
I don't think they need to stop pirating so much as hassle people pirating sufficiently that a decent percentage still pay up.
- zeta0134 8y ago
  If they'd just make the content available on Spotify, which all of my pirate friendly but otherwise non-technical friends use, they'd have their conversion. Piracy continues to solve the discovery and "listen to just this one song I like" problem that the industry ignores, and until the paid options are as useful as the pirate versions, the battle will continue. (Also, I'm ignoring some philosophical things: I like to own things and not stream them for bandwidth reasons, and tech folks tend to not like DRM, but the general public doesn't seem to care much about those things.)
ttsda 8y ago
Usually they will just fetch the YouTube direct mp4 link and redirect to that, in order to save bandwidrh.
joe_the_user 8y ago
My guess would be that the music industry would rather point people at the download sites, that can be stopped with a court-order than point people at youtube-dl, which would require more effort to suppress. I would also argue the music industry cares more about control than about raw sales. This is because, they aim for: A. a fixed tax of "what you're willing to pay for entertainment" from everyone in a given country, B. an ability to manage trends and use that trend management to bring residuals (movies, toys, fashion-shoot, whatever for their established artists). C. a strong bargaining position versus their artists - the more they can say "we made you, we can break you and replace you", the more leverage they have in negotiations.
snaky 8y ago
> There is absolutely no way to stop pirating Of course there is, but the regime have to be much more repressive than 1950s Soviet Union to achieve that. > Mostly made through the 1950s and 1960s, ribs were a black market method of smuggling in and distributing prohibited music by foreign and emigre musicians banned from broadcast in the Soviet Union. Real medical X-rays, purchased or picked up from the trash from hospitals and clinics were used to create the recordings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribs_%28recordings%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribs_%28recordings%29 There weren't piracy in North Korea until 1990s AFAIK.

by bArray 8y ago

tim333 8y ago

I don't think they need to stop pirating so much as hassle people pirating sufficiently that a decent percentage still pay up.

zeta0134 8y ago
If they'd just make the content available on Spotify, which all of my pirate friendly but otherwise non-technical friends use, they'd have their conversion. Piracy continues to solve the discovery and "listen to just this one song I like" problem that the industry ignores, and until the paid options are as useful as the pirate versions, the battle will continue. (Also, I'm ignoring some philosophical things: I like to own things and not stream them for bandwidth reasons, and tech folks tend to not like DRM, but the general public doesn't seem to care much about those things.)

ttsda 8y ago

Usually they will just fetch the YouTube direct mp4 link and redirect to that, in order to save bandwidrh.

joe_the_user 8y ago

My guess would be that the music industry would rather point people at the download sites, that can be stopped with a court-order than point people at youtube-dl, which would require more effort to suppress. I would also argue the music industry cares more about control than about raw sales. This is because, they aim for: A. a fixed tax of "what you're willing to pay for entertainment" from everyone in a given country, B. an ability to manage trends and use that trend management to bring residuals (movies, toys, fashion-shoot, whatever for their established artists). C. a strong bargaining position versus their artists - the more they can say "we made you, we can break you and replace you", the more leverage they have in negotiations.

snaky 8y ago

> There is absolutely no way to stop pirating Of course there is, but the regime have to be much more repressive than 1950s Soviet Union to achieve that. > Mostly made through the 1950s and 1960s, ribs were a black market method of smuggling in and distributing prohibited music by foreign and emigre musicians banned from broadcast in the Soviet Union. Real medical X-rays, purchased or picked up from the trash from hospitals and clinics were used to create the recordings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribs_%28recordings%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribs_%28recordings%29 There weren't piracy in North Korea until 1990s AFAIK.