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Impressive, no doubt. This type of memory happens more often than people realize to athletes and coaches. Pattern recognition in competitive sports is extremel

by socrates1998 8y ago

Impressive, no doubt. This type of memory happens more often than people realize to athletes and coaches. Pattern recognition in competitive sports is extremely valuable. Lebron is one of the all time greats because he combines such unique gifts, his memory, his work ethic, his physicality, size and quickness. He is just a freak all the way around. His basketball IQ has some interesting affects on teams he plays though. He has problems submitting and listening to his coaches. Often because he thinks he is right, which he often is. Still, there can be only one person making decisions and Lebron does not like to give up his power. This is ultimately what caused him to leave Miami. He was the 4th most important person in the organization behind the owner, the GM Pat Riley, the head coach and the homegrown star (Dwayne Wade). When he went back to Cleveland, he went to an organization that he could dominate from top to bottom. I think his desire for influence and power has hurt his career to a certain extent. If he had gone to San Antonio, for example, he might have had several more titles by now. I don't see the Lakers winning one in the few years, so Lebron will probably end his career with 3.

w0m 8y ago
I think your overstating the 'LeBron needs power' narrative. In LA, he will be behind the shadow of Kobe as an example, with little hope to surpass him. I think it's more legacy definition, he's been talking 'Chasing a Ghost' for a years now and rebuilding LA (after 8 consecutive finals decimating the East, a Ring to Cle) would do that. Leaving Mia for Cle was due to (Kyrie + 2*(#1 overall)) > (Bosh+(Wade - 1.2 knees)), and the Coming Home narrative.
- exclusiv 8y ago
  If you mean shadow as far as likeability for Lakers fans I agree. But nothing as far as talent. Kobe isn't even a top 3 Laker of all-time and LeBron is on another level which is a notch below Jordan.
  - tibyat 8y ago
    shallow troll
  - philwelch 8y ago
    > Kobe isn't even a top 3 Laker of all-time Eh, he's barely a top 3 Laker, if only because Jerry West always lost to the Celtics, Wilt wasn't there for very long and still lost to the Celtics, and Shaq came and went. I put him third all time after Kareem and Magic. But that really says a lot about the Lakers--you have to stop and think for awhile before naming the best NBA player who never played for the Lakers, Celtics, or Bulls at this point.
drawkbox 8y ago
> This type of memory happens more often than people realize to athletes and coaches. I was blown away how much Mike Tyson knows about boxing history. Great athletes are skilled but they are also students of the game [1][2][3]. You can't get video anymore unless you look since Norm MacDonald Live episodes are off Youtube while he gets his new show on Netflix, but Mike Tyson | Norm Macdonald Live episode had so much boxing history sprinkled in it was amazing [4]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtRfwTLtiM8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtRfwTLtiM8 [2] https://youtu.be/rhThso-PE_o?t=47m15s https://youtu.be/rhThso-PE_o?t=47m15s [3] https://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/mike-tyson-boxing-historian/ https://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/mike-tyson-boxing-hist... [4] https://player.fm/series/norm-macdonald-live-1705948/ep-26-mike-tyson-norm-macdonald-live https://player.fm/series/norm-macdonald-live-1705948/ep-26-m...
jimbokun 8y ago
Winning a title in Cleveland is one of the singular greatest achievements in NBA history, and in American sports history. In a lot of ways, it transcends the quantitative metrics we generally use to measure athletes' success. LeBron will not control the Lakers from top to bottom, especially with an even more charismatic leader like Magic around. I think it's generally understood he went to LA in part to kick start his post playing career. Both of which are to say, LeBron has his own goals, desires, and motivations for his decisions, which may sometimes go beyond just counting rings. (Also, I'm still not ruling out Magic, LeBron, and the pull of LA leading to another title before LeBron retires.)
- cloudwalking 8y ago
  I think it's generally understood he went to LA in part to kick start his post playing career. I'm curious about this, do you know of any good reading?
  - jimbokun 8y ago
    Random example: https://247sports.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/Article/David-Griffin-believes-LeBron-James-signed-with-Los-Angeles-Lakers-to-set-up-post-NBA-career-121150229/ https://247sports.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/Article/David-...

w0m 8y ago

I think your overstating the 'LeBron needs power' narrative. In LA, he will be behind the shadow of Kobe as an example, with little hope to surpass him. I think it's more legacy definition, he's been talking 'Chasing a Ghost' for a years now and rebuilding LA (after 8 consecutive finals decimating the East, a Ring to Cle) would do that. Leaving Mia for Cle was due to (Kyrie + 2*(#1 overall)) > (Bosh+(Wade - 1.2 knees)), and the Coming Home narrative.

exclusiv 8y ago
If you mean shadow as far as likeability for Lakers fans I agree. But nothing as far as talent. Kobe isn't even a top 3 Laker of all-time and LeBron is on another level which is a notch below Jordan.
- tibyat 8y ago
  shallow troll
- philwelch 8y ago
  > Kobe isn't even a top 3 Laker of all-time Eh, he's barely a top 3 Laker, if only because Jerry West always lost to the Celtics, Wilt wasn't there for very long and still lost to the Celtics, and Shaq came and went. I put him third all time after Kareem and Magic. But that really says a lot about the Lakers--you have to stop and think for awhile before naming the best NBA player who never played for the Lakers, Celtics, or Bulls at this point.

drawkbox 8y ago

> This type of memory happens more often than people realize to athletes and coaches. I was blown away how much Mike Tyson knows about boxing history. Great athletes are skilled but they are also students of the game [1][2][3]. You can't get video anymore unless you look since Norm MacDonald Live episodes are off Youtube while he gets his new show on Netflix, but Mike Tyson | Norm Macdonald Live episode had so much boxing history sprinkled in it was amazing [4]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtRfwTLtiM8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtRfwTLtiM8 [2] https://youtu.be/rhThso-PE_o?t=47m15s https://youtu.be/rhThso-PE_o?t=47m15s [3] https://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/mike-tyson-boxing-historian/ https://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/mike-tyson-boxing-hist... [4] https://player.fm/series/norm-macdonald-live-1705948/ep-26-mike-tyson-norm-macdonald-live https://player.fm/series/norm-macdonald-live-1705948/ep-26-m...

jimbokun 8y ago

Winning a title in Cleveland is one of the singular greatest achievements in NBA history, and in American sports history. In a lot of ways, it transcends the quantitative metrics we generally use to measure athletes' success. LeBron will not control the Lakers from top to bottom, especially with an even more charismatic leader like Magic around. I think it's generally understood he went to LA in part to kick start his post playing career. Both of which are to say, LeBron has his own goals, desires, and motivations for his decisions, which may sometimes go beyond just counting rings. (Also, I'm still not ruling out Magic, LeBron, and the pull of LA leading to another title before LeBron retires.)

cloudwalking 8y ago
I think it's generally understood he went to LA in part to kick start his post playing career. I'm curious about this, do you know of any good reading?
- jimbokun 8y ago
  Random example: https://247sports.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/Article/David-Griffin-believes-LeBron-James-signed-with-Los-Angeles-Lakers-to-set-up-post-NBA-career-121150229/ https://247sports.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/Article/David-...