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what worries me most is the muscle memory of developers downloading Oracle jdk from oracle. If Oracle keeps is dark patterns, thousands of developers will be us

by spydum 8y ago

what worries me most is the muscle memory of developers downloading Oracle jdk from oracle. If Oracle keeps is dark patterns, thousands of developers will be using the commercial tool and on the hook for license fees.

sdinsn 8y ago
That is not how it works. You can download the Oracle JDK and use it forever, commercially, for free. You just won't get updates backported to your version unless you pay for long term support.
- spydum 8y ago
  Find that in writing. Everything I read says jdk 8 is the last free Oracle jdk.
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - kjeetgill 8y ago
    Then read the article you're commenting on?
    - spydum 8y ago
      I did. Here is the money quote: Firstly, it is not clear that there will be an Oracle JDK that is $free to download. Despite my best attempts, I could not get 100% clarity on this point, but see also this tweet.
      - MBCook 8y ago
        Oracle has never announced that they’re charging for their JDK. In all the talk over this stuff over the last few years they’ve never said that. They’ve been quite clear that it will still be free to download. The only change is that free security patches will now be limited to six months after a release.
  - RandomInteger4 8y ago
    https://react-etc.net/entry/oracle-to-stop-providing-a-free-java-jdk-with-long-term-support-lts https://react-etc.net/entry/oracle-to-stop-providing-a-free-... "This is as in many other projects, except it seems that releases of the LTS version, dubbed to be Oracle JDK, will no longer be free. This means that companies looking to stay on a specific version for more than six months would need to get updates from a commercial operator or apply patches from later free OpenJDK versions manually."
cwyers 8y ago
If you are a professional writing Java code, nine times out of ten someone in your org will be responsible for volume licensing.
- spydum 8y ago
  exactly my point. Oracle going to come knocking and shaking down enterprises for millions because they still pull jdk from Oracle instead of openjdk
  - JustSomeNobody 8y ago
    But as cwyers said, there's a person in charge of volume licensing. That person should have a way of auditing everyone's system to determine if they are using properly licensed products.
    - ams6110 8y ago
      They can just check for whether Ask! toolbars are installed in the browser.

by spydum 8y ago

sdinsn 8y ago

That is not how it works. You can download the Oracle JDK and use it forever, commercially, for free. You just won't get updates backported to your version unless you pay for long term support.

spydum 8y ago
Find that in writing. Everything I read says jdk 8 is the last free Oracle jdk.
- deleted 8y ago
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- kjeetgill 8y ago
  Then read the article you're commenting on?
  - spydum 8y ago
    I did. Here is the money quote: Firstly, it is not clear that there will be an Oracle JDK that is $free to download. Despite my best attempts, I could not get 100% clarity on this point, but see also this tweet.
    - MBCook 8y ago
      Oracle has never announced that they’re charging for their JDK. In all the talk over this stuff over the last few years they’ve never said that. They’ve been quite clear that it will still be free to download. The only change is that free security patches will now be limited to six months after a release.
- RandomInteger4 8y ago
  https://react-etc.net/entry/oracle-to-stop-providing-a-free-java-jdk-with-long-term-support-lts https://react-etc.net/entry/oracle-to-stop-providing-a-free-... "This is as in many other projects, except it seems that releases of the LTS version, dubbed to be Oracle JDK, will no longer be free. This means that companies looking to stay on a specific version for more than six months would need to get updates from a commercial operator or apply patches from later free OpenJDK versions manually."

cwyers 8y ago

If you are a professional writing Java code, nine times out of ten someone in your org will be responsible for volume licensing.

spydum 8y ago
exactly my point. Oracle going to come knocking and shaking down enterprises for millions because they still pull jdk from Oracle instead of openjdk
- JustSomeNobody 8y ago
  But as cwyers said, there's a person in charge of volume licensing. That person should have a way of auditing everyone's system to determine if they are using properly licensed products.
  - ams6110 8y ago
    They can just check for whether Ask! toolbars are installed in the browser.