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Dyson gears up for electric car testing
- sofon 8y agoI don't understand the Dyson hype. Their products seem over-engineered, over-priced, and under-performing... On top of which Dyson himself is strongly pro-Brexit [1] which is shaping up to be a disaster for the UK. Really don't hold out much hope for this. [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/sir-james-dyson-so-if-we-leave-the-eu-no-one-will-trade-with-us/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/sir-james-dyson...
- robotmay 8y agoYep. He also moved all his production out of the UK to Malaysia.
- gambiting 8y agoYep - I'm trying to discourage everyone I can from buying Dyson products because of it.
- dovik 8y agoIn 3 words : No. Vaccum. Bag.
- newnewpdro 8y agoThat is not unique to the Dyson brand.
- yetihehe 8y agoDon't know how it looks in dyson vacuums, but in every brand I've tried, bagless vacuums are a disaster. They either don't filter that good, require special cleaning or both. One bagless vacuum I've recently used was designed so awfully, I joked that it should come with another vacuum to clean it. From what I've seen in pictures, Dyson's designs are much more easy to clean.
- sofon 8y agoPretty much all the Dyson's I've used have had very poor suction and hardly pick up anything. The Toshiba bagless cleaners work well in my experience.
- stevekemp 8y agoIt's funny I had a few friends locally raving about how good dyson vacuum-cleaners were. I thought my existing vacuum was just fine, but I borrowed an upright from a friend for a few weeks and when I did I was hooked. I started out by vacuuming the floors with my existing machine, and used tried the dyson afterwards. The amount of stuff it sucked up was very surprising. Sure the dysons are a lot more expensive than the generic machines, but I have to say that I loved mine. It's only because I live abroad now, and I don't have carpets that I've not looked into getting another.
- dovik 8y agoIt was. Other brands started to sell bagless vacuums only after Dyson first success. For other brands, bags was as profitable market.
- raverbashing 8y agoBagless vacuums aren't better. Really Cleaning dust out of a bagless vacuum is bad if you have allergies. Buying the bags is an annoyance but it is the lesser one.
- cududa 8y agoJust get a subscription to them on amazon and you never have to think about it outside the 4 minutes it takes you to change the bag
- joering2 8y agoI seen Henry and Hetty being used on a cruise ship and fell in love with a little happy blue guy. Too bad you cant get any of the line in USA. I dont think they have representation in North America.
- gonvaled 8y agoI have been using a bagless vacuum for some years (no Dyson), and I am quite happy. You have to clean it sometimes, and it is a bit messy, but you can do that in the sink after emptying it in the bin, so it's not like dust is going to be flying around. I am happy to avoid buying and changing bags.
- dovik 8y agoA lesser one excepted when your bags were retired from market -> need to buy a new vacuum even if the older one was still functional.
- dirktheman 8y agoWe have a Numatic Henry and it runs circles around the most expensive Dyson. While the Dyson seems more powerful on paper, in reality the Henry sucks up more dust, grime and pet hair. Our Henry is 18 years old, survived falling down the stairs, a complete house remodel and basic family life with kids. The bags only need to be changed a few times per year, and changing is a breeze. Compare that to the Dyson where you have to empty the bin every other time you use it. Oh, and the Henry doesn't seem to lose power as the bag gets fuller since the motor is placed on top of the cleaner. Every part can be replaced (and are still available, for a 18 year old vacuum cleaner!) but as I said, they're nearly indestructible. And cheaper than a Dyson. There's a reason why professional cleaners use them, I guess.
- fredley 8y agoHenry owner here: totally agree. Also, unlike a fancy Dyson, it's designed to be bashed around, yanked around and generally abused. It's the Nokia 3310 of vacuums. And if a part breaks, because they're used commercially it's cheap and easy to replace.
- d--b 8y agoBrexit means more expensive cars from abroad. The guy wants to make a UK car for the UK market, I guess... We'll know when they don't make a version with the steering wheel on the left :)
- kitd 8y agoLikewise. Brexiteers hold him up as a paragon of British engineering and entrepreneurship. But he took an already-solved problem and "re-imagined" it with twice the cost and power requirement. I'll stick with my Vax, thx.
- varjag 8y agoDyson sucks better than Vax!
- vixen99 8y agoDon't know about Vax but my 17-year old Dyson performs just as efficiently as when I bought it. I notice that most of the new cleaners in the market in my region appear to copy Dyson's cyclonic separation idea - because it works!
- raverbashing 8y ago> Dyson's cyclonic separation idea It's not his idea, though he was probably the 1st one to use it in vacuums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclonic_separation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclonic_separation
- frou_dh 8y agoWhat I'm getting from you two is that you're desperate to insert Brexit into any conversation.
- timrichard 8y agoPar for the course with identity-politics bores, I'm afraid. It would be the same if the story was about JCB. Terrible idea to listen to the tiny minority of British companies who actually manufacture things the world is enthusiastic about buying :-)
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- woolvalley 8y agoThey make pretty good handheld vacuums. I have a miele upright also, but nowadays tend to use the dyson v7 for a lot of quick stuff instead.
- notahacker 8y agoThey're the Apple of the vacuum cleaning world. They were good at marketing, launched baglessness as a major new innovation which allowed them to completely dominate the market until everyone else copied it, their self-consciously different style also found many imitators, and since then the overengineering has been the brand's chief selling point.
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- gandalfian 8y agoBut they have "digital" motors. A concept that hurts my brain. But seriously he probably just wants to be like Bosch. A desirable place to buy you electronic components. Otherwise reinventing cars is what sunk Sinclair...
- fredley 8y agoJames Dyson pitches himself as a sort of British Steve Jobs. His products take commercial fan technology and put it in consumer tech, with lots of silvery plastic, and sell for a lot of money. Engineering wise it's nothing particularly special. They have done well out of sueing competitors who do similar things. Sadly it's a company that invests more in boasting about how great it is at engineering as it does in actual engineering. There is no way in hell a Dyson electric car is going to have any impact on any market. This is more of a PR stunt than an indication of any real product. It's more about building the brand (of Dyson and Sir James Dyson) than anything.
- vixen99 8y ago'James Dyson pitches himself as a sort of British Steve Jobs'. Does he or is it others who say this? Where is the quote? As to the supposed comparison by others, someone from Dyson said '“Apple makes a stylistic product; we don’t have any designers at our company. We start out with the internals first and then match the style to it.”
- King-Aaron 8y agoI'm very interested to see what Dyson comes up with here, but I'm surprised they've considered undertaking the entire vehicle design and manufacturing process, and not just developing powertrains for other companies to use.
- _ph_ 8y agoI think this is one sign of the changing times for the automotive industry. Dyson has a lot of technologies required to manufacture an electric car in-house. Batteries and their control, electric motors, and of course they manufacture their products too. So getting into car manufacturing doesn't seem to be a huge stretch.
- newnewpdro 8y agoYep, EVs have turned automobiles into consumer electronics. Hopefully that doesn't mean they will be made to be unservicable by third parties, disposable, and replaced regularly.
- taf2 8y agoIs that really that far off from the current state of a cars? We had a 69 gmc truck growing up and I could point o the parts in the engine and understand how everything worked. Later ok we got a 97 gmc truck and damn it’s way more complex. I know it can still be worked on by anyone and is definitely serviceable but what is a 2017 model like I’m sure even more complex with onboard computers etc...
- newnewpdro 8y agoYou can still walk right up to the parts department counter and order OEM replacement parts for anything on the vehicle, just like the dealer can. The computerized bits are well isolated control modules and are generally treated as black boxes which either work or are replaced as a unit. But that doesn't encompass the entire vehicle, the vast majority of the vehicle is still very servicable, all the mechanical bits haven't really changed that much from the 60s. I've rebuilt engines on cars and motorcycles, modern and old, many computerized with EFI, you generally don't worry about the inner workings of the computers unless you're modifying things. In my experience the more modern stuff is actually simpler having fewer vacuum lines and archaic rube goldberg machines for control systems.
- struct 8y agoI’m genuinely curious as to what they’re working on: my guess is it’ll have spherical wheels, a climate control system with cyclone technology and expensive air filters you’re supposed to wash every 500 miles, be silvery plastic with orange highlights, dock with a dedicated wall charger, feature a drivechain with Dyson Digital Motor(TM) technology, and cost a lot of money.
- King-Aaron 8y agoAnd it will suck
- lorenzobr 8y agoI bet ya a signed dollar it won't.
- tonyedgecombe 8y agoThat would be a first for Dyson.
- raverbashing 8y agoEverybody knows nothing sucks like a Vax
- Cthulhu_ 8y agoBut will it be skookum?
- stevekemp 8y agoI can't help remembering the last British-built electric vehicle, the Sinclair C5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5
- stephengillie 8y ago> spherical wheels This is our chance to get ball-wheels on cars. Imagine having 4-wheel 360 degree turning!
- jghjg 8y agodyson is that company that make nightmare fuel hand dryers?
- hardwaresofton 8y agoI'm all for alternatives so that I can choose away from Tesla and away from some heavy-handed oil-producing countries in what/who I support. No idea if Dyson is going to make a good electric car or not but I sure hope they do -- another big player in the space also means more innovation so I'm up for that, and Dyson prides themselves in unique engineering so maybe they'll make a thing that will actually help other manufacturers regardless of whether their car is a success or not.
- zizou_ie 8y agoIs it just me or has Dyson's brand really benefitted from The Terminator association?
- IshKebab 8y agoIt's crazy that they got money from the government towards this when their profits are so insanely high. James Dyson is very tight-fisted (I used to work there; that is part of the reason I left).