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Sigh. Average IQs have significantly increased as pollution has significantly increased. We have objective data on this. https://ourworldindata.org/intelligenc

Sigh. Average IQs have significantly increased as pollution has significantly increased. We have objective data on this. https://ourworldindata.org/intelligence https://ourworldindata.org/intelligence https://ourworldindata.org/air-pollution https://ourworldindata.org/air-pollution We have decades of data to show this positive correlation. Now I'm wondering how the study measured intelligence and of course who funded this study. Edit: Seems like a lot of people are misunderstanding my point. I'm not saying air pollution is good. I think air pollution is bad. I'm just pointing out raw objective data which contradicts the study.

dignick 8y ago
Perhaps IQs would have increased more without pollution?
- liftbigweights 8y ago
  Sure. The objective data I provided shows a correlation and not a causation. But it contradicts the study of a "huge" reduction in intelligence due to air pollution. If air pollution causes reduction in intelligence, IQs would not have increased so much in the past 100 years as air pollution skyrocketed. Can't say air pollution causes huge reduction in intelligence while IQs have drastically increased in an increasing air pollution environment. The study claims a causal relationship - air pollution causes huge reduction in intelligence. The objective data of the last 100 years clearly shows that's not true.
fishtank 8y ago
You have shared two sources of broad, country-level data. The study tracked localized effects on individuals. These are not necessarily in contradiction! Though whatever you're inferring with your broad correlation (air pollution has no negative effect on intelligence? air pollution improves intelligence?) is much weaker than the study, which clearly has made attempts to isolate variables.
nopinsight 8y ago
Have you considered that the educational level in the developing world has increased dramatically from a low base, while pollution had so far been manageable in most cities until the most recent couple of decades? When one increased the average education level by something like 5-10 years, as was the case in many Asian countries in the last century, it is not surprising there was a significant increase in intelligence. Thankfully the effect of pollution has not been drastic enough to negate all of those gains. It still does not mean we should neglect its likely significant negative impact. From the paper: > Cutting annual mean concentration of particulate matter smaller than 10 μm (PM10) in China to the Environmental Protection Agency’s standard (50 μg/m3) would move people from the median to the 63rd percentile (verbal test scores) and the 58th percentile (math test scores), respectively.
detaro 8y ago
Really, your criticism of a study looking at those two factors in local detail and trying to correct for correlation with outside factors is "but globally they correlate"? (and also correlate with everything that's on a long-term upwards trend when nations are developing/industrializing)
atlantic 8y ago
Over the last two centuries, you would expect to find a direct causal link between industrialization and intelligence, as governments have introduced mass education for the first time, to create a skilled labour force. Because industrialization is also positively correlated with pollution and urbanization, especially during its first phase, you would also expect to find a long-term positive correlation between pollution and intelligence. However, if you factor out the positive effects of mass education, then you will likely find, as expected, that intelligence decreases as toxicity of the environment rises.

dignick 8y ago

Perhaps IQs would have increased more without pollution?

liftbigweights 8y ago
Sure. The objective data I provided shows a correlation and not a causation. But it contradicts the study of a "huge" reduction in intelligence due to air pollution. If air pollution causes reduction in intelligence, IQs would not have increased so much in the past 100 years as air pollution skyrocketed. Can't say air pollution causes huge reduction in intelligence while IQs have drastically increased in an increasing air pollution environment. The study claims a causal relationship - air pollution causes huge reduction in intelligence. The objective data of the last 100 years clearly shows that's not true.

fishtank 8y ago

You have shared two sources of broad, country-level data. The study tracked localized effects on individuals. These are not necessarily in contradiction! Though whatever you're inferring with your broad correlation (air pollution has no negative effect on intelligence? air pollution improves intelligence?) is much weaker than the study, which clearly has made attempts to isolate variables.

nopinsight 8y ago

Have you considered that the educational level in the developing world has increased dramatically from a low base, while pollution had so far been manageable in most cities until the most recent couple of decades? When one increased the average education level by something like 5-10 years, as was the case in many Asian countries in the last century, it is not surprising there was a significant increase in intelligence. Thankfully the effect of pollution has not been drastic enough to negate all of those gains. It still does not mean we should neglect its likely significant negative impact. From the paper: > Cutting annual mean concentration of particulate matter smaller than 10 μm (PM10) in China to the Environmental Protection Agency’s standard (50 μg/m3) would move people from the median to the 63rd percentile (verbal test scores) and the 58th percentile (math test scores), respectively.

detaro 8y ago

Really, your criticism of a study looking at those two factors in local detail and trying to correct for correlation with outside factors is "but globally they correlate"? (and also correlate with everything that's on a long-term upwards trend when nations are developing/industrializing)

atlantic 8y ago

Over the last two centuries, you would expect to find a direct causal link between industrialization and intelligence, as governments have introduced mass education for the first time, to create a skilled labour force. Because industrialization is also positively correlated with pollution and urbanization, especially during its first phase, you would also expect to find a long-term positive correlation between pollution and intelligence. However, if you factor out the positive effects of mass education, then you will likely find, as expected, that intelligence decreases as toxicity of the environment rises.