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I'm sorry to hear that you are unhappy with Elm, but I hear great things about CLJS and wish you the best with it. I have one comment and one question, if you

I'm sorry to hear that you are unhappy with Elm, but I hear great things about CLJS and wish you the best with it. I have one comment and one question, if you have time to respond. > During this whole year of development, we could not compile the 0.19-dev. It was somewhere closed. It was on GitHub under elm/compiler on the "dev" branch, which is the branch name Evan uses for in-progress work. Many people compiled and tried it out during this time, and some left comments directly on GitHub. This was not a secret, but I can understand that maybe it felt like one since it was not on the "master" branch. > total blocking of genuine and constructive user feedback, which feels like censorship - or simply a closed-source, proprietary software. I understand that you've moved on, but it would help us out if you could link to an example of genuine and constructive user feedback being blocked like this, so we can learn from it. We've tried to lock topics that have a well-known history of devolving into unconstructive flame wars, but I'm always open to the idea that we might have missed the mark.

senorsmile 8y ago
This is a great response. I've only recently started learning Elm (and webdev in general... coming from a systems programming background). I chose ElmConf for the preconf to strange loop this year. Why not learn a new language. I've seen quite a few people with fairly negative things to say about the community. I had my very first thread locked on elm just a couple of days ago. Apparently there were some deleted comments that were not so nice. Unfortunately, by the time I saw my posting locked, that meant it was too late for me to engage in any sort of conversation to figure out exactly what went wrong. Let me be clear; the core of a community are the ones responsible for creating and maintaining the culture of the community, and of course protecting the community members from abuse. I understand this... But I don't understand how stopping conversations that "have a well-known history of devolving into unconstructive flame wars". It seems that is punishing people before they've actually done anything that violates that rules of the community. At least, that's certainly how I feel. Regardless, I'm looking forward to my journey of learning Elm and using it to build some UI's my teams are going to be needing. As I said, I'm attending ElmConf. I look forward to meeting you and others in the Elm community.
- rtfeldman 8y ago
  > It seems that is punishing people before they've actually done anything that violates that rules of the community. At least, that's certainly how I feel. That's really good feedback, thank you! I have passed this along to the moderator team. > As I said, I'm attending ElmConf. I look forward to meeting you and others in the Elm community. Likewise - looking forward to meeting you! I'll be there a few days before the conference, so if you'd like to meet up ahead of time, send me a DM!

senorsmile 8y ago

This is a great response. I've only recently started learning Elm (and webdev in general... coming from a systems programming background). I chose ElmConf for the preconf to strange loop this year. Why not learn a new language. I've seen quite a few people with fairly negative things to say about the community. I had my very first thread locked on elm just a couple of days ago. Apparently there were some deleted comments that were not so nice. Unfortunately, by the time I saw my posting locked, that meant it was too late for me to engage in any sort of conversation to figure out exactly what went wrong. Let me be clear; the core of a community are the ones responsible for creating and maintaining the culture of the community, and of course protecting the community members from abuse. I understand this... But I don't understand how stopping conversations that "have a well-known history of devolving into unconstructive flame wars". It seems that is punishing people before they've actually done anything that violates that rules of the community. At least, that's certainly how I feel. Regardless, I'm looking forward to my journey of learning Elm and using it to build some UI's my teams are going to be needing. As I said, I'm attending ElmConf. I look forward to meeting you and others in the Elm community.

rtfeldman 8y ago
> It seems that is punishing people before they've actually done anything that violates that rules of the community. At least, that's certainly how I feel. That's really good feedback, thank you! I have passed this along to the moderator team. > As I said, I'm attending ElmConf. I look forward to meeting you and others in the Elm community. Likewise - looking forward to meeting you! I'll be there a few days before the conference, so if you'd like to meet up ahead of time, send me a DM!