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To see the deleted comments: https://www.ceddit.com/r/elm/comments/9a0hc6/elm_019_broke_us/ https://www.ceddit.com/r/elm/comments/9a0hc6/elm_019_broke_u...

lugg 8y ago
Haven't really been paying any attention to elm, all I can say now is that I never will.
- MBCook 8y ago
  I have, I thought it’s philosophy was pretty neat and I love the idea of being able to use something like Haskell in JavaScript land. I’ve seen complaints about how slow it moves and the fact that there is effectively one developer has certainly worried me. I never made a serious try to get it into production. It’s now very clear to me there’s no point in EVER trying unless there’s a massive shift in the project. The community/leadership sounds very broken. This seems more like what I would expect from someone’s hobby project that got out of hand and accidentally got a bunch of people who follow along no questions asked.
  - lallysingh 8y ago
    Reflex-FRP is finally getting documented and usable. I looked at ELM and decided that I could wait for reflex.
  - vmchale 8y ago
    > This seems more like what I would expect from someone’s hobby project that got out of hand and accidentally got a bunch of people who follow along no questions asked. It does, but then you realize he actually advocates using it in production and tries aggressively to grow the community. See e.g. http://elm-lang.org/blog/how-to-use-elm-at-work http://elm-lang.org/blog/how-to-use-elm-at-work
- always_good 8y ago
  Eh, I wouldn't exactly be a martyr for these deleted comments. dulac91 has been "leaving Elm" starting at least six months ago, supposedly only still around to let others know of his decision. superdisk and type_level_memes are piling on about how much Elm sucks in multiple comment threads, random examples being "Elm's BDFL is just a DFL" and "Elm is not the language for [me]. Or... anyone, apparently, since writing Elm code can be considered a liability at this point", respectively. This sort of dismissive toxicity just begets more of it and turns off newcomers. Sometimes you have to make your point and then leave the theater so others can enjoy the show.
  - vmchale 8y ago
    > Elm's BDFL is just a DFL Which is true. > This sort of dismissive toxicity just begets more of it and turns off newcomers. Ah yes, legitimate criticism of Elm turns off newcomers so it's entirely justified to ban legitimate criticism. Wonderful.
    - always_good 8y ago
      Nothing quite like the self-aggrandizement of confusing your hot air of entitlement with "legit criticism."
kbumsik 8y ago
I’m very surprised. The moderators’ move is a way extreme to me. Unless they are personal attacks, deleting comments can never be good for the community. I cannot see any good reasons deleting those comments.
- vmchale 8y ago
  Don't be! This is how Elm works: with Evan as a petty dictator micromanaging every aspect of the discussion imaginable and in fact banning people from posts in other forums.

lugg 8y ago

Haven't really been paying any attention to elm, all I can say now is that I never will.

MBCook 8y ago
I have, I thought it’s philosophy was pretty neat and I love the idea of being able to use something like Haskell in JavaScript land. I’ve seen complaints about how slow it moves and the fact that there is effectively one developer has certainly worried me. I never made a serious try to get it into production. It’s now very clear to me there’s no point in EVER trying unless there’s a massive shift in the project. The community/leadership sounds very broken. This seems more like what I would expect from someone’s hobby project that got out of hand and accidentally got a bunch of people who follow along no questions asked.
- lallysingh 8y ago
  Reflex-FRP is finally getting documented and usable. I looked at ELM and decided that I could wait for reflex.
- vmchale 8y ago
  > This seems more like what I would expect from someone’s hobby project that got out of hand and accidentally got a bunch of people who follow along no questions asked. It does, but then you realize he actually advocates using it in production and tries aggressively to grow the community. See e.g. http://elm-lang.org/blog/how-to-use-elm-at-work http://elm-lang.org/blog/how-to-use-elm-at-work
always_good 8y ago
Eh, I wouldn't exactly be a martyr for these deleted comments. dulac91 has been "leaving Elm" starting at least six months ago, supposedly only still around to let others know of his decision. superdisk and type_level_memes are piling on about how much Elm sucks in multiple comment threads, random examples being "Elm's BDFL is just a DFL" and "Elm is not the language for [me]. Or... anyone, apparently, since writing Elm code can be considered a liability at this point", respectively. This sort of dismissive toxicity just begets more of it and turns off newcomers. Sometimes you have to make your point and then leave the theater so others can enjoy the show.
- vmchale 8y ago
  > Elm's BDFL is just a DFL Which is true. > This sort of dismissive toxicity just begets more of it and turns off newcomers. Ah yes, legitimate criticism of Elm turns off newcomers so it's entirely justified to ban legitimate criticism. Wonderful.
  - always_good 8y ago
    Nothing quite like the self-aggrandizement of confusing your hot air of entitlement with "legit criticism."

kbumsik 8y ago

I’m very surprised. The moderators’ move is a way extreme to me. Unless they are personal attacks, deleting comments can never be good for the community. I cannot see any good reasons deleting those comments.

vmchale 8y ago
Don't be! This is how Elm works: with Evan as a petty dictator micromanaging every aspect of the discussion imaginable and in fact banning people from posts in other forums.