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Im glad she resisted this seizure of her personal property. But what about all the data that phone transmits over the internet which can be / is collected by m
by deusofnull 8y ago
Im glad she resisted this seizure of her personal property. But what about all the data that phone transmits over the internet which can be / is collected by most every intelligence agency, without a warrant?
- gruez 8y agoWhat are you implying here? That the violation isn't as bad because the data was already being collected by other agencies/companies?
- mykeliu 8y agoI believe the question being raised is the opposite: that this violation is bad, and we cannot neglect the other violations already being done remotely by these other agencies.
- deusofnull 8y agoyes, this exactly. thank you. im not some paranoid "tinfoil hat" person as accused below. I mean, we see the articles posted here on hackernews daily about insecure information security, corporate malfeasance, and stories like this where law enforcement steps over legal boundaries. I dont think its an incredible position to hold that intelligence agencies exploit all 3 of those situations, including any number of undisclosed zero-days, in order to surveil broad swaths of the population.
- deusofnull 8y agoNo, I'm not saying the seizure of the phone is less egregious. Rather, I'm asserting that intelligence agencies almost certainly operate outside the law regularly. That doesn't make the first thing less bad, but it does show our whole situation to be far worse.
- nutjob2 8y ago"is collected by most every intelligence agency, without a warrant" This is tinfoil hat stuff. Depending on the data and the situation, they need warrants just like everyone else.
- komali2 8y ago>they need warrants I don't believe this is true. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/09/nsa-loophole-warrantless-searches-email-calls https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/09/nsa-loophole-w...
- deusofnull 8y agoGiven that Intelligence Agencies are often times under the direction of State Departments, and State Departments are constantly breaking international and domestic law, what gives you your confidence in their commitment to operating within legal boundaries?
- whamlastxmas 8y agoEdward Snowden leaks plainly prove it's not tinfoil hat.
- trumped 8y agonickname fits you... why do you keep denying what is happening?
- majewsky 8y agoQuite the ironic username that you have there. :)
- nivexous 8y agoThe warrants get approved in secret courts by secret judges with no transparency or chance of recourse, and are almost never rejected. And worse: not all data even needs warrants. If people read their history, this is not unlike the Stamp Act of 1765 that lead to the American Revolution. King George enforced the Stamp Act by requiring colonists let British military into their homes to inspect documents and books for the King's signature using, you guessed it, warrants granted by secret courts. It's the reason Americans have the 4th amendment. If people only realized that the intelligence agencies are doing the same things today with the Internet...