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DO and Linode are very expensive compared to OVH, Scaleway or Hetzner. So this reads as "Lightsail announces 50% price drop, will still be very expensive" (Fro

DO and Linode are very expensive compared to OVH, Scaleway or Hetzner. So this reads as "Lightsail announces 50% price drop, will still be very expensive" (From another comment: https://snag.gy/3Q1fL0.jpg https://snag.gy/3Q1fL0.jpg) -> $3.50 for 512 MB of RAM is a fucking rip-off compared to this: https://www.scaleway.com/ https://www.scaleway.com/

cbg0 8y ago
If all you're interested in comparing is price, then yes it is still expensive, but there are other considerations such as network quality, support responsiveness, the actual performance of the VPS.
- eahman09 8y ago
  Maybe OVH, Scaleway and Hetzner are better than DO and Linode in that regard.
  - rooam-dev 8y ago
    From my experience Hetzner's network reliability is not even close to DO's.
  - clagio 8y ago
    In my experience OVH support is completely useless.. you have to wait for ages before having a response, and when you get it, it's useless...
    - piotrkubisa 8y ago
      Sadly I second that. Also I had problem with their "DDoS protection" which detected false-positive DDoS attack. I got instance suspended after 6 days after payment for next month without any refund. They noticed "weird" traffic to my instance where I had installed Cloud9 [0][1] and I assume built-in terminal was flooding instance with TCP-SYN packets when I was using it. I am glad that I haven't left anything inside, because I lost access to this instance and storage. Before that, I thought such protection rather stops instances not drops them with mounted SSD disks to do not impose an impact on other instances. [0]: https://github.com/c9/core https://github.com/c9/core [1]: https://aws.amazon.com/cloud9 https://aws.amazon.com/cloud9
  - sgzfx 8y ago
    My experience with Scaleway is that most of the time things are fine, but over 2-3 years there have been multiple very very annoying outages that have made me want to go back to DO, where I've had no issues whatsoever. Also, I'm not sure if it's just me being an idiot or not - but sometimes my instances have become unresponsive and I've had to reboot them with a newer bootscript from the Scaleway UI to get them working again. Will definitely be trying out Lightsail now. Good opportunity for me to familiarize myself with the AWS ecosystem.
    - yread 8y ago
      And how is the performance of the "Avoton" Atom CPUs?
      - sgzfx 8y ago
        I can't say for sure since I've not benchmarked performance - my python/ruby/C# web applications are not very cpu intensive. FWIW my Scaleway instances feel way more sluggish than my DO instances - not sure if that's from the CPUs or network disks.
    - dancodes 8y ago
      Got the same experience with Scaleway. Suddently unresponsive instances which had to be rebooted manually. That's a no-go!
  - markvdb 8y ago
    OVH better than the others in any regard? That's rather optimist speculation about a company whose incompetence almost lost my business its primary domain name... twice. Shame on me for not taking appropriate measures after the first time. They should be renamed Incompetence Ltd. This sounds like a rant because it is one. It's been a few years, but I'll never forget the several mandays I spent troubleshooting OVH's incompetence.
adventured 8y ago
Scaleaway is meaningless unless you're located in Europe. If you're in the developed world, $2 vs $5 etc does not matter in most cases. The most important factor is that your host does what you need it to do, that the network is excellent and your servers are located where you need them to be. If you're an American business you'd be foolish to host your servers in the EU. Locating your servers in the EU opens you up to their jurisdiction, which is a mistake, you'd be unnecessarily exposing yourself to multiple jurisdiction compliance. That problem is only going to get dramatically worse in the coming years. It's not worth worrying about saving a couple of dollars over.
- eahman09 8y ago
  I am European and it's 11 here; I'm talking to an European audience. OVH has got a datacenter in Canada with good prices, compared to the rip-off Linode is.
  - adventured 8y ago
    Your point about OVH still falls flat for a US audience, unless saving a few dollars is a critical concern. $20 for 4gb of ram, 4tb of bandwidth and 2 cpus at Linode is a rip-off? I guess if someone were quite lacking in funds and needed the absolute most cut-rate VPS prices they can get, it might be viewed as a rip-off. That's a legitimate issue if so, sure. By all counts Linode in fact provides a tremendous service at a low cost, as with DigitalOcean. I'm guessing that for most people, $3 vs $7 (or a similar ratio) simply doesn't matter very much, especially when you consider laws and latency. To compete fully, Scaleaway and OVH will eventually need multiple US data centers, otherwise the price gap by itself isn't going to be enough and the world's largest economy will remain the domain of DO/Linode/Amazon/etc. Those companies already know they'll have to charge more for service in the US, which is why they don't already have lots of US data centers after all these years, they have no competitive advantage to bring to the table. Again, if you locate in Canada you're opening yourself up to multiple jurisdiction compliance. You're going to have to comply with both Canadian and US laws in that case if you're a US business. The complexity and burden of doing so will only continue to expand. Saving a few dollars by locating with OVH in Canada might be fine if you're just running a test setup and have no intentions of running a real business on it.

cbg0 8y ago

If all you're interested in comparing is price, then yes it is still expensive, but there are other considerations such as network quality, support responsiveness, the actual performance of the VPS.

eahman09 8y ago
Maybe OVH, Scaleway and Hetzner are better than DO and Linode in that regard.
- rooam-dev 8y ago
  From my experience Hetzner's network reliability is not even close to DO's.
- clagio 8y ago
  In my experience OVH support is completely useless.. you have to wait for ages before having a response, and when you get it, it's useless...
  - piotrkubisa 8y ago
    Sadly I second that. Also I had problem with their "DDoS protection" which detected false-positive DDoS attack. I got instance suspended after 6 days after payment for next month without any refund. They noticed "weird" traffic to my instance where I had installed Cloud9 [0][1] and I assume built-in terminal was flooding instance with TCP-SYN packets when I was using it. I am glad that I haven't left anything inside, because I lost access to this instance and storage. Before that, I thought such protection rather stops instances not drops them with mounted SSD disks to do not impose an impact on other instances. [0]: https://github.com/c9/core https://github.com/c9/core [1]: https://aws.amazon.com/cloud9 https://aws.amazon.com/cloud9
- sgzfx 8y ago
  My experience with Scaleway is that most of the time things are fine, but over 2-3 years there have been multiple very very annoying outages that have made me want to go back to DO, where I've had no issues whatsoever. Also, I'm not sure if it's just me being an idiot or not - but sometimes my instances have become unresponsive and I've had to reboot them with a newer bootscript from the Scaleway UI to get them working again. Will definitely be trying out Lightsail now. Good opportunity for me to familiarize myself with the AWS ecosystem.
  - yread 8y ago
    And how is the performance of the "Avoton" Atom CPUs?
    - sgzfx 8y ago
      I can't say for sure since I've not benchmarked performance - my python/ruby/C# web applications are not very cpu intensive. FWIW my Scaleway instances feel way more sluggish than my DO instances - not sure if that's from the CPUs or network disks.
  - dancodes 8y ago
    Got the same experience with Scaleway. Suddently unresponsive instances which had to be rebooted manually. That's a no-go!
- markvdb 8y ago
  OVH better than the others in any regard? That's rather optimist speculation about a company whose incompetence almost lost my business its primary domain name... twice. Shame on me for not taking appropriate measures after the first time. They should be renamed Incompetence Ltd. This sounds like a rant because it is one. It's been a few years, but I'll never forget the several mandays I spent troubleshooting OVH's incompetence.

adventured 8y ago

Scaleaway is meaningless unless you're located in Europe. If you're in the developed world, $2 vs $5 etc does not matter in most cases. The most important factor is that your host does what you need it to do, that the network is excellent and your servers are located where you need them to be. If you're an American business you'd be foolish to host your servers in the EU. Locating your servers in the EU opens you up to their jurisdiction, which is a mistake, you'd be unnecessarily exposing yourself to multiple jurisdiction compliance. That problem is only going to get dramatically worse in the coming years. It's not worth worrying about saving a couple of dollars over.

eahman09 8y ago
I am European and it's 11 here; I'm talking to an European audience. OVH has got a datacenter in Canada with good prices, compared to the rip-off Linode is.
- adventured 8y ago
  Your point about OVH still falls flat for a US audience, unless saving a few dollars is a critical concern. $20 for 4gb of ram, 4tb of bandwidth and 2 cpus at Linode is a rip-off? I guess if someone were quite lacking in funds and needed the absolute most cut-rate VPS prices they can get, it might be viewed as a rip-off. That's a legitimate issue if so, sure. By all counts Linode in fact provides a tremendous service at a low cost, as with DigitalOcean. I'm guessing that for most people, $3 vs $7 (or a similar ratio) simply doesn't matter very much, especially when you consider laws and latency. To compete fully, Scaleaway and OVH will eventually need multiple US data centers, otherwise the price gap by itself isn't going to be enough and the world's largest economy will remain the domain of DO/Linode/Amazon/etc. Those companies already know they'll have to charge more for service in the US, which is why they don't already have lots of US data centers after all these years, they have no competitive advantage to bring to the table. Again, if you locate in Canada you're opening yourself up to multiple jurisdiction compliance. You're going to have to comply with both Canadian and US laws in that case if you're a US business. The complexity and burden of doing so will only continue to expand. Saving a few dollars by locating with OVH in Canada might be fine if you're just running a test setup and have no intentions of running a real business on it.