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On the other hand, Apple controlling the UI means, as usual, they kill other services ability to innovate. But most apple users don't care to have very limited

On the other hand, Apple controlling the UI means, as usual, they kill other services ability to innovate. But most apple users don't care to have very limited capabilities as long as the core value is here and it's streamlined in the apple experience. Hell, they used a phone without copy/paste for a long time and it didn't bother them.

scarface74 8y ago
If you think other media streaming companies can "innovate" with their interfaces, you're not a cable cutter (I refuse to say cord cutter, my home internet still comes over a cord) who subscribes to Netflix, Hulu, and Directv. Netflix's interface is horrible on both the Apple TV 4 and modern Rokus. It has a much better interface on the 3rd generation AppleTV where "apps" were limited to just for, all intents and purposed, glorified web apps. They were all running on top of WebKit using a combination of JavaScript and Apple's markup language.
- sametmax 8y ago
  Glorified webapps can't pre-download 50 go of tv shows for my next holidays in the deep country sides. You need file system access for that.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    What exactly are you responding to? I'm responding to the post about "innovation" of apps that not possible if everything goes through the TV app as a central launching pad for videos.
ysavir 8y ago
Companies aren't innovating anymore, though. We've reached the point where we have dominant players controlling the field, and any "innovation" we see has to do only with profit margins.
- nohnce 8y ago
  I think whether the new apps are innovating is irrelevant. Apple's making the decision for them. As a company, they've always kept things locked down, so I'm not surprised.
- nojvek 8y ago
  Plenty of ad and dark pattern innovation to do yet :)
- windows_tips 8y ago
  Maybe the "smartphone" format is played out for now. New innovation may need to come from a new or emerging industry. Following price and size trends, the next industry would be making a device ~1/50th the size of a "smartphone". Something like the size of a large SD card, probably.
- georgeecollins 8y ago
  People are trying all kinds of innovations around streaming video apps, you are just aware of them. I am no expert, but off the top of my head I can think of people trying to create streaming subscription services for horror movies, for esports, for anime.. I'm sure most will fail, but who could have predicted Twitch ten years ago?
ddacunha 8y ago
On the other hand I don’t understand how Apple approved the Amazon Prim and YouTube Apple TV apps. The UX are horrible and I would rather not use them. edit: added Apple TV

scarface74 8y ago

If you think other media streaming companies can "innovate" with their interfaces, you're not a cable cutter (I refuse to say cord cutter, my home internet still comes over a cord) who subscribes to Netflix, Hulu, and Directv. Netflix's interface is horrible on both the Apple TV 4 and modern Rokus. It has a much better interface on the 3rd generation AppleTV where "apps" were limited to just for, all intents and purposed, glorified web apps. They were all running on top of WebKit using a combination of JavaScript and Apple's markup language.

sametmax 8y ago
Glorified webapps can't pre-download 50 go of tv shows for my next holidays in the deep country sides. You need file system access for that.
- scarface74 8y ago
  What exactly are you responding to? I'm responding to the post about "innovation" of apps that not possible if everything goes through the TV app as a central launching pad for videos.

ysavir 8y ago

Companies aren't innovating anymore, though. We've reached the point where we have dominant players controlling the field, and any "innovation" we see has to do only with profit margins.

nohnce 8y ago
I think whether the new apps are innovating is irrelevant. Apple's making the decision for them. As a company, they've always kept things locked down, so I'm not surprised.
nojvek 8y ago
Plenty of ad and dark pattern innovation to do yet :)
windows_tips 8y ago
Maybe the "smartphone" format is played out for now. New innovation may need to come from a new or emerging industry. Following price and size trends, the next industry would be making a device ~1/50th the size of a "smartphone". Something like the size of a large SD card, probably.
georgeecollins 8y ago
People are trying all kinds of innovations around streaming video apps, you are just aware of them. I am no expert, but off the top of my head I can think of people trying to create streaming subscription services for horror movies, for esports, for anime.. I'm sure most will fail, but who could have predicted Twitch ten years ago?

ddacunha 8y ago

On the other hand I don’t understand how Apple approved the Amazon Prim and YouTube Apple TV apps. The UX are horrible and I would rather not use them. edit: added Apple TV