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Whether Denisivans and Neanderthals are different species is mostly just a matter of semantics. We have had a pretty good look at the DNA of each and it's clea
by Symmetry 8y ago
Whether Denisivans and Neanderthals are different species is mostly just a matter of semantics. We have had a pretty good look at the DNA of each and it's clear that the two were evolving in isolation for hundreds of thousands of years resulting in genetically distinct populations. The difference between Denisovans and Neanderthals is about half the difference between humans and either.
It's not at all unusual for two different species to be able to interbreed. Lions and tigers for instance or horses and donkeys. Mules, the offspring of horses and donkeys are sterile, though, so the two populations can't mix. Ligoers, the offspring of a male lion and female tigers, aren't entirely sterile but have very low fertility. With humans and neanderthals there are portions of the Neanderthal genome related to reproduction that were very heavily selected against in a way which seems to indicate that male hybrids at least had moderate fertility problems until those genes were removed. So it's not black and white at all. We have zero evidence for any reduction in fertility between Neanderthals and Denisovans since we have very few examples of hybrid offspring and this sort of analysis needs lots of data - so who knows.
- danieltillett 8y agoWe wrote almost exactly the same thing :) One nitpick it is not male hybrids that had reduced fertility, but following Haldane’s rule it was the male SSA (sub-saharan african) and Denisovan/Neanderthal female offspring that were infertile - the other way around were fertile or else there would be no descendants of the Denisovans and Neanderthals living today.
- EGreg 8y agoThat’s my point. We don’t know the amount of gene transfer between the two groups at different times. Calling something two different species usually implies some sort of allopatric speciation leading to almost zero gene sharing. Can you name a single proven example of something like this happening in the last few thousand years?
- danieltillett 8y agoHappens all the time in biology - let me introduce you to the Coywolf [0]. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coywolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coywolf
- pbhjpbhj 8y agoI thought some female mules were fertile. eg https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3378453/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3378453/