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Where are the responses from Muslim countries?
by Leary 8y ago
Where are the responses from Muslim countries?
- simonh 8y agoMost Muslim states are oppressive dictatorships, or have fractious ethic minorities of their own, or both. Criticising China for its treatment of the Uighurs would just draw attention to their own record and current activities. Also, most of them have trade and investment links to China.
- Analemma_ 8y agoThere probably aren't any. Ever since Pan-Arabism died with Nasser, leaders of Muslim countries are mostly concerned with keeping themselves in power and keeping things stable in their own borders, which means a) downplaying if not actively suppressing supranational ideologies and b) playing nice with countries like China to keep the money flowing. And the only real Pan-Islamic movements are the extremist ones, which don't have any official state support.
- emiliobumachar 8y agoPan-Islamism aside, there were mass protests over those Danish cartoons a few years back. I don't claim to understand other cultures and religions, but I'll be surprised if mass internment is less outrageous. So where are those people?
- rayiner 8y agoThe folks in power don’t care about Muslim minorities (Palestinians, Rohinga, etc.). They care about browbeating the West and Israel, and spreading fundamentalist Islam as an alternative to Western secularization. Complaining about Chinese treatment of an ethnic minority does not serve that purpose.
- DmenshunlAnlsis 8y agoIt’s employed as a distraction or means to vent rage at a palatable target. The Danes, the Jews, Israel, Americans, that serves a dual purpose. “Oh you want more freeeom of speech? See what they do with it in Denmark! You want a democracy... like America? Like Israel?” China is a valuable trading partner and a government in the same model as the autocracies of the Middle East, so they shut up about that. There’s always been profit in turning domestic rage against Israel in general, and Jews in particular. It’s been a way of life for the house of Saud for example, even as they quietly make deals with Israel and bomb their fellow Muslims in Yemen. Mind you, that’s the governments, out of over a billion Muslims worldwide no doubt many individuals are outraged over China’s treatment of their co-religionists, but they don’t have an effective platform. They also have to be careful depending on where they live about whether or not to even try to voice it.
- pavlov 8y agoYou’re quite right, as far as I understand. Another example of how little political glue there is between Muslim countries is that Saudi Arabia is quietly cooperating with Israel — supposedly the enemy — while almost at war with Qatar — supposedly Arab brethren.
- howard941 8y agoInterestingly enough Egypt reportedly brokered a deal between Qatar, Hamas and Israel for a one year ceasefire. https://www.jns.org/report-israel-hamas-deal-to-include-one-year-truce/ https://www.jns.org/report-israel-hamas-deal-to-include-one-... https://thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/10/08/2018/Hamas-says-Gaza-cease-fire-reached-with-Israel https://thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/10/08/2018/Hamas-says-...
- adventured 8y agoI've found this very strange as well. Best guess is that it hasn't fully reached their populations / news audiences. It's only in the last four to six months that Western media has begun to actively talk about it and pursue the truth of what's going on there. Alternatively they don't protest China because they know it does no good. The Guantanamo Bay detention camp had less than a thousand total detainees over its history (currently an estimated 40 people held there), most of whom were pulled directly off of battlefields. Guantanamo became a global scandal and blackeye for the US, drawing countless mass protests across the Middle East. Here we're talking about millions of Muslims being tortured, 're-educated,' stripped of their Islamic beliefs, and apparently many are dying or being murdered in the process. An estimated 1,300 camps and growing. All without any external access or oversight, happening under an aggressive rights-denying dictatorship. These millions of Muslims are not just going to give up their beliefs willingly, so what is China's next step? Vast genocide has to be the concern going forward.
- lainga 8y agoThere are Uyghurs in Pakistan, and Pakistan itself borders on Xinjiang. Pakistan even plays up the whole pan-Islam message so they can stave off Pashtunistan nationalism. But Pakistan is also increasingly dependent on China, and you can bet they're fully aware and turning the other way on the current situation.
- cabalamat 8y ago> Alternatively they don't protest China because they know it does no good. One Muslim country at least, Egypt, is doing China's bidding on Uighurs https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/fear-panic-egypt-arrests-chinese-uighur-students-170707051922204.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/fear-panic-egypt-arre... : > Egyptian police have detained scores of Chinese students from the Uighur ethnic minority on Beijing's request, forcing dozens into hiding or to flee to Turkey, activists have said. > These millions of Muslims are not just going to give up their beliefs willingly, so what is China's next step? Vast genocide has to be the concern going forward. Certainly all the ones they've put in concentration camps are never going to love China after what's happened. If they let them out, their stories will only spread discontent among the rest of the population. So genocide will have been an option under consideration. On the other hand, they must know that descending to Nazi levels of evil is unlikely to improve China's image.
- trhway 8y agoIn you put yourself into CCP mindset the support from an outside Muslim power may possibly fuel the perception of support for possible separatism and that perception may escalate the situation. A wide international, non-exclusively-Muslim, based response, on pure human rights grounds would possibly be a good thing. Unfortunately nobody in the world right now is interested/capable/etc. to respond to religious/ethnic/etc. cleansings on pure human rights grounds (of course there are responses when it comes to economic interests when it can be covered by human rights interests)
- herojian 8y agohuman rights + freedom + democracy = pornography + homosexuality + heroin overdoses The rest of the world is sick of your filth! You couldn't do anything even if you tried! WE ARE THE FUTURE AND WE STOMP ON YOUR DEAD NATION
- pasbesoin 8y agoIf China is selling to them, and in some cases buying their oil, my guess is not so much. As always, follow the money -- and power (authoritarian governments).
- tboyd47 8y agoI'm not making excuses, but what appears to be going on in China is very serious indeed, with possibly one million people being seized and interned in prison camps, breaking contact with loved ones, and never released. The increased staffing at the nearby crematoriums is especially chilling. What kind of response would you expect to see?
- monocasa 8y agoUighurs aren't Arab, so who cares? The new silk road money is more important.
- dmoy 8y agoMost Muslim aren't Arab. Only like 20% of Muslims are Arab.
- monocasa 8y agoAnd they're still treated like second class citizens by the religion as a whole. I saw this all the time when I spent some time in Senegal, a black Muslim nation.
- Someguywhatever 8y agoThey saw themselves as second class or the Senegalese were treated this way by Arab muslims within Senegal?
- monocasa 8y agoBoth.
- muricula 8y agoContrary to other comments, there are responses from Muslim countries. For instance, the situation has not gone unnoticed in Turkey because the Uighurs are Muslims who speak a Turkic language. In the past Turkish nationalist groups have supported Uighar separatist movements. However, official responses are muted since China is a major investor. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sondakika.com%2Fhaber%2Fhaber-cin-den-bir-milyon-uygur-kamplarda-tutuluyor-11145053%2F https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&tl=en&u=h... https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sondakika.com%2Fhaber%2Fhaber-cin-deki-siyasi-egitim-kamplari-nin-buyudugu-iddia-11162105%2F https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&tl=en&u=h...