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Moscow's supposed to be about as expensive to live in as the Bay Area or Manhattan from what I've read. Rents here in the Bay area are around $1400 for a 1 bed
by iamelgringo 19y ago
Moscow's supposed to be about as expensive to live in as the Bay Area or Manhattan from what I've read. Rents here in the Bay area are around $1400 for a 1 bedroom apartment. What are they in Moscow?
- cousin_it 19y agoI pay around $1300 for a 1 bedroom apartment. This is a bit on the high side, but I like living in the city center, in summer it's almost European.
- tomh 19y agoSalaries for grads outside of Moscow are probably half that - I think PHP coders in Kharkov, Ukraine for example would be pretty happy with 12-15K. QA positions could be as low as 8-10K. And $1300 for a 1-bedroom in Moscow center...what can I say you got off light. All my friends had to go through realtors for $2K places (2-3 rooms through) near Kitai-Gorod.
- vtx 19y agoHow about $5K for 2 years experience PHP developer in Dnepr, Ukraine. I work for this now and my motivation is lost completely. May be I will try to relocate. Now i see even in Dnepropetrovsk salary for html coder for $10K and php dev $14K, but they require strong knowledge of all what can imagine, even speaking english. My bad, need better education.
- projectileboy 19y ago$30k + $1300/month rent?? Dang... Are other countries an option for you?
- cousin_it 19y agoI lack the determination to pack up and move. :-( But I suspect I'll leave eventually. Don't know where.
- apotheon 19y agoSounds to me like prime motivation for a startup. If you're not getting paid much, you have more motivation to try something a little risky to improve your lot in life.
- cousin_it 19y agoHey, my lot in life isn't too bad! :-) I launched a non-profit project that's fairly important to me (http://openphotovr.org http://openphotovr.org) this winter. Now thinking about starting something else, for money, not sure what exactly.
- apotheon 19y agoThe website doesn't work so well for me. It says it requires Flash (even though I have a Flash plugin installed).
- cousin_it 19y agoThanks. What browser and Flash version? Does this help: http://openphotovr.org/index.html?detectflash=false http://openphotovr.org/index.html?detectflash=false ?
- sethg 19y agoWhat do people in that part of Moscow tend to pay for food, utilities, taxes, transportation...?
- dcurtis 19y agoIn San Francisco, 1400 dollars will barely get you a studio (in the interesting parts of the city).
- iamelgringo 19y agoYeah, sorry, I should have said, "South Bay Area" when I was quoting rent prices. I'm assuming things would be quite a bit more expensive in Palo Alto or San Fran. My quote was also based on a new grad wanting to live in El-Cheapo rent districts. If someone wants to, they can certainly pay $2000 a month for a rather nice one bedroom with a concierge at the desk in the South Bay.
- antiismist 19y agoYou can get a studio in a nice part of town for a lot less than that. Two years ago I had a great studio in downtown SF for $650. I can't imagine things have changed that much since then.
- menloparkbum 19y agoYou cannot get a studio for $650 in any part of san francisco, much less a nice part. Just go to craig's list and do a search for apartments less than $650. ZERO results show up.
- andreyf 19y agoManhattan ranges - 1br in the West Village goes for $1,950/month.
- wallflower 19y agoGood article about the experience of finding apartments: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/24/garden/24new.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/G/Green,%20Penelope&pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/24/garden/24new.html?n=Top/Re... Manhattan had a very successful policy of encouraging diversity by apartment subsidies (Mitchell-Lama). Otherwise, you restrict the area to only those who can "afford" it. I heard recently about someone who sold their apartment back to their rent-subsidized apartment building. A 3br on the Upper West Side. For $12,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell-Lama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell-Lama