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Wow, just wow. I live in Moscow and earn about 30K a year. 25 years old, 10 of them coding for money. Maths degree.
by cousin_it 19y ago
Wow, just wow. I live in Moscow and earn about 30K a year. 25 years old, 10 of them coding for money. Maths degree.
- iamelgringo 19y agoMoscow's supposed to be about as expensive to live in as the Bay Area or Manhattan from what I've read. Rents here in the Bay area are around $1400 for a 1 bedroom apartment. What are they in Moscow?
- cousin_it 19y agoI pay around $1300 for a 1 bedroom apartment. This is a bit on the high side, but I like living in the city center, in summer it's almost European.
- tomh 19y agoSalaries for grads outside of Moscow are probably half that - I think PHP coders in Kharkov, Ukraine for example would be pretty happy with 12-15K. QA positions could be as low as 8-10K. And $1300 for a 1-bedroom in Moscow center...what can I say you got off light. All my friends had to go through realtors for $2K places (2-3 rooms through) near Kitai-Gorod.
- vtx 19y agoHow about $5K for 2 years experience PHP developer in Dnepr, Ukraine. I work for this now and my motivation is lost completely. May be I will try to relocate. Now i see even in Dnepropetrovsk salary for html coder for $10K and php dev $14K, but they require strong knowledge of all what can imagine, even speaking english. My bad, need better education.
- projectileboy 19y ago$30k + $1300/month rent?? Dang... Are other countries an option for you?
- cousin_it 19y agoI lack the determination to pack up and move. :-( But I suspect I'll leave eventually. Don't know where.
- apotheon 19y agoSounds to me like prime motivation for a startup. If you're not getting paid much, you have more motivation to try something a little risky to improve your lot in life.
- cousin_it 19y agoHey, my lot in life isn't too bad! :-) I launched a non-profit project that's fairly important to me (http://openphotovr.org http://openphotovr.org) this winter. Now thinking about starting something else, for money, not sure what exactly.
- apotheon 19y agoThe website doesn't work so well for me. It says it requires Flash (even though I have a Flash plugin installed).
- cousin_it 19y agoThanks. What browser and Flash version? Does this help: http://openphotovr.org/index.html?detectflash=false http://openphotovr.org/index.html?detectflash=false ?
- sethg 19y agoWhat do people in that part of Moscow tend to pay for food, utilities, taxes, transportation...?
- dcurtis 19y agoIn San Francisco, 1400 dollars will barely get you a studio (in the interesting parts of the city).
- iamelgringo 19y agoYeah, sorry, I should have said, "South Bay Area" when I was quoting rent prices. I'm assuming things would be quite a bit more expensive in Palo Alto or San Fran. My quote was also based on a new grad wanting to live in El-Cheapo rent districts. If someone wants to, they can certainly pay $2000 a month for a rather nice one bedroom with a concierge at the desk in the South Bay.
- antiismist 19y agoYou can get a studio in a nice part of town for a lot less than that. Two years ago I had a great studio in downtown SF for $650. I can't imagine things have changed that much since then.
- menloparkbum 19y agoYou cannot get a studio for $650 in any part of san francisco, much less a nice part. Just go to craig's list and do a search for apartments less than $650. ZERO results show up.
- andreyf 19y agoManhattan ranges - 1br in the West Village goes for $1,950/month.
- wallflower 19y agoGood article about the experience of finding apartments: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/24/garden/24new.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/G/Green,%20Penelope&pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/24/garden/24new.html?n=Top/Re... Manhattan had a very successful policy of encouraging diversity by apartment subsidies (Mitchell-Lama). Otherwise, you restrict the area to only those who can "afford" it. I heard recently about someone who sold their apartment back to their rent-subsidized apartment building. A 3br on the Upper West Side. For $12,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell-Lama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell-Lama
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- skavish 19y agoMy guess is that after taxes, but in the US they are usually talking about salary before taxex. So basically your $30K is about $40K here.
- apotheon 19y agoAre you saying that $30K is like $40K after taxes? It'd be closer to $55K, I think. Taxes are insane in the US (though nothing like northern Europe).
- skavish 19y agofor a salary of $40K the taxes would be around 20-30% in the US depending on your family situation
- jon_dahl 19y agoTotal taxes in the US on a $40K salary for a single person with no other income and no other deductions: about $4,200 (10.5%). The marginal tax rate is higher, of course, and state taxes will add a little, but not too much.
- cellis 19y agohaha I actually make 40K... i think its significantly higher than that. All told I think i'll be paying around 12K. (MI.)
- mattmaroon 19y agoIf you only make $40k and are paying 30% in taxes, you're doing something very wrong.
- cellis 19y agoYou are right. It was quite an exaggeration on my part. Its more like 21.5%.
- yan 19y agoIs that before or after taxes?
- cousin_it 19y agoAfter.