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The pilot has to be there anyway, right? So where's the profit in fixing this? And so it doesn't get done..

by tormeh 8y ago

nomadiccoder 8y ago
The profit can be in reducing errors, being better than human control, etc. which can reduce time spent on the line
- marcosdumay 8y ago
  At the cost of turning every automation problem into a worst case disaster. Until the technology is good enough for taking the pilot away, it's not a gain.
  - pathseeker 8y ago
    >Until the technology is good enough for taking the pilot away, it's not a gain. If that were true modern airlines wouldn't have autopilot.
    - chrischen 8y ago
      Modern anything wouldn’t have anything.
    - marcosdumay 8y ago
      Airplane pilots have plenty of time for fixing any problem that may appear mid-flight. It's because of this that airplanes don't have autopilots landing or taking them off. And by the way, there's an ongoing discussion on airplane groups about all the new failure modes created by the autopilot-pilot interface. It creates plenty of problems.
modells 8y ago
There's no inherently intractable reason aircraft "need" human pilots when autopilots are faster, better and make fewer errors. At this stage, an aircraft guider would be able to instruct the aircraft as to what's needed. At some point in the future, AI/ML/DL will replace that role entirely such that the lineman communicates with the aircraft directly. Then, as a further iteration (40-100 years), the lineman is also replaced by robotics on a drone-like platform.
- abakker 8y ago
  No to the first part. At the risk of sounding flippant, this is one of those cases where the aviation industry really does better than you’d think. Humans do make errors, but, for you to apply ML to fix it, you need to make a lot more errors of all possible types to build robust training data. Sure, it may happen one day, but until then we are dependent on pilots and pilot aids. People are just much faster and more capable at coping with novel, or rare situations. Regarding drones, I suspect that you are at least partly right. There is a lot of interest already in drones as inspection platforms. Perhaps they will go farther as drones get more commercial aviation clearance.

The pilot has to be there anyway, right? So where's the profit in fixing this? And so it doesn't get done..

by tormeh 8y ago

The pilot has to be there anyway, right? So where's the profit in fixing this? And so it doesn't get done..

nomadiccoder 8y ago

The profit can be in reducing errors, being better than human control, etc. which can reduce time spent on the line

marcosdumay 8y ago
At the cost of turning every automation problem into a worst case disaster. Until the technology is good enough for taking the pilot away, it's not a gain.
- pathseeker 8y ago
  >Until the technology is good enough for taking the pilot away, it's not a gain. If that were true modern airlines wouldn't have autopilot.
  - chrischen 8y ago
    Modern anything wouldn’t have anything.
  - marcosdumay 8y ago
    Airplane pilots have plenty of time for fixing any problem that may appear mid-flight. It's because of this that airplanes don't have autopilots landing or taking them off. And by the way, there's an ongoing discussion on airplane groups about all the new failure modes created by the autopilot-pilot interface. It creates plenty of problems.

modells 8y ago

There's no inherently intractable reason aircraft "need" human pilots when autopilots are faster, better and make fewer errors. At this stage, an aircraft guider would be able to instruct the aircraft as to what's needed. At some point in the future, AI/ML/DL will replace that role entirely such that the lineman communicates with the aircraft directly. Then, as a further iteration (40-100 years), the lineman is also replaced by robotics on a drone-like platform.

abakker 8y ago
No to the first part. At the risk of sounding flippant, this is one of those cases where the aviation industry really does better than you’d think. Humans do make errors, but, for you to apply ML to fix it, you need to make a lot more errors of all possible types to build robust training data. Sure, it may happen one day, but until then we are dependent on pilots and pilot aids. People are just much faster and more capable at coping with novel, or rare situations. Regarding drones, I suspect that you are at least partly right. There is a lot of interest already in drones as inspection platforms. Perhaps they will go farther as drones get more commercial aviation clearance.