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I've been on both sides of the table here. I worked for a company called Corel early in my career and we were taken private by a private equity firm. We had a
by chollida1 8y ago
I've been on both sides of the table here.
I worked for a company called Corel early in my career and we were taken private by a private equity firm. We had about $95 million in the bank and they bought us for around $130, so they used our own money to buy them. When the takeover was done the money was taken to pay back the banks for the short term loans.
The company changed and I left. I thought Vector was the worst PE firm ever. Now to be fair they don't have a great reputation at all due to their buy, strip, merge and flip tactics have caught up to them.
On the other side of the coin we've published short reports on companies and had that set off a wave of harassing phone calls about how we were the worst people on earth and why did we want to ruin everyone's life.
And this was a case where we were right, the company finally did admit that the items we highlighted in our short report were correct.
If you come out on the "I don't like these types of funds and their tactics" side, then ask your self what is the appropriate measure when you find a company that is under performing, or is down right corrupt with its books, or is just coasting.
What should the correct response be?
1) Build up a position in the firm so the fund has skin in the game?
2) Then ask for changes to be made?
3) Then ask for the management who was responsible for the under performance to leave so this doesn't happen again?
To me that all seems very reasonable and is the typical playbook of a firm like Elliot.
The very reason passive investing works is that there are firms out there in the market buying the good stocks and shorting the bad ones.
It seems a bit much to on one hand claim people should be passive investors which requires active investors to price the market and on the other hand get mad when an active investor points out flaws in a company and correspondingly asks a company to fix those flaws.
TL/DR
It's shitty when someone comes along and points out your flaws. It's often the low level employees, who aren't really at fault, who pay the highest price. On the other hand you can't just expect to become CEO and be able to run a company into the ground without someone complaining.
- creaghpatr 8y agoI think the basic premise of the hostile takeover strategy is totally fair, but contracting with Mossad guys a la Black Cube to stalk the personal lives should be disclosed to the board. CEOs should expect the board to not retain firms that investigate their personal lives *to that extent. If he was secretly a heroin addict maybe that's a different situation. That said, they didn't need ex-spies to put together the stock chart timeline superimposed with Bush's instagram party pics. That's just savage and clever.
- brazzledazzle 8y agoOn the other hand the way they handled Argentena and Peru was pretty monstrous. Even taking both sides into account this isn’t like forcing employees to find a new job because you tanked their company. Innocent people were hurt by something they had very little control over. You don’t get to choose where you’re born. It really drives home the point that while these people might be acting as checks on the system they are fundamentally vultures. No matter what they tell themselves and others their performance of that role is incidental at best—a coincidence used as cover for being a bastard.
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- aglavine 8y agoI'm from Argentina. Our government was the monster at that time.
- corerius 8y agoHey, at least it wasn't Pixelon.
- lordnacho 8y agoProblem is there's no knowing, in any case, what resolution would have been reached had the activists not intervened. Maybe a turnaround would have been around the corner, but having the activist there scared off someone? Or no activist -> management/government continues being profligate. Main downside to a world of activists is you get guys who, like at poker, can see that they can intimidate others, perhaps from previous reputation. You could easily make a game theoretical scenario where once you've won a few rounds, it makes sense to do a few extortions as well. Main downside of not having them is more obvious. Nobody points out the flaws of the current leadership.