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Corporate greed at its finest. The goal was to hire employees at lower wages and who couldn't just up and leave for another company next door so easily. This c

Corporate greed at its finest. The goal was to hire employees at lower wages and who couldn't just up and leave for another company next door so easily. This combined gets them workers who aren't allowed to negotiate and who are cheaper than normal workers. When driven only by greed, all methods to get more money are always acceptable... unless you are caught.

briandear 8y ago
That’s not greed, that’s smart business. Why would you pay more for something if you didn’t have to? Is it greedy to take advantage of a sale on fruit at the grocery store rather than paying full price? The problem is visa law, not companies following that law.
- rmrfrmrf 8y ago
  Might be a controversial opinion, but I think we as humans have lost sight of the ball when we start letting capitalism drive ethics.
  - conanbatt 8y ago
    And what ethics tell you that you should have the right to bar other people from working with other people?
    - rmrfrmrf 8y ago
      For Americans, reducing income disparity, which in turn would allow more money to flow within the US. For foreign employees, ending a program of indentured servitude that dangles the prospect of citizenship in front of them while providing substandard pay and limited mobility. For foreign governments, bringing talent back to their countries rather than cash, enabling the development of their own businesses and growth of their own economy.
      - conanbatt 8y ago
        > For Americans, reducing income disparity, which in turn would allow more money to flow within the US. You mean increase income disparity. More foreign software engineers would lower the median salary of a software engineer in the us, which is in the top bracket of earners. Increasing the salary of software engineers increases income disparity between those and the median. Also, i thought the point was to make an ethical one, not a money one. > For foreign employees, ending a program of indentured servitude that dangles the prospect of citizenship in front of them while providing substandard pay and limited mobility. Oh why thank you. Did you ask foreign employees if they like your idea of banning them from the US for their own benefit? > For foreign governments, bringing talent back to their countries rather than cash, enabling the development of their own businesses and growth of their own economy. If you have a concern for the well-being of foreign governments over the interests in the US, you can advocate or better measures than punishing foreign people.
- Faark 8y ago
  > That’s not greed, that’s smart business. It's usually both, when we talk about screwing others in a legal way. But we have to keep the big picture in mind. For people to live together, they need to perceive society to be kind of fair. Otherwise they don't have a problem burning it to the ground... by e.g. voting for a moron to govern them in hope for change. Having reasonable pressure on prices (including wages) to improve the economy is beneficial to society. Citizens having to compete with people that show an uncomfortable similarity to slaves (especially the dependency on employer aspect) seems beyond that.

briandear 8y ago

That’s not greed, that’s smart business. Why would you pay more for something if you didn’t have to? Is it greedy to take advantage of a sale on fruit at the grocery store rather than paying full price? The problem is visa law, not companies following that law.

rmrfrmrf 8y ago
Might be a controversial opinion, but I think we as humans have lost sight of the ball when we start letting capitalism drive ethics.
- conanbatt 8y ago
  And what ethics tell you that you should have the right to bar other people from working with other people?
  - rmrfrmrf 8y ago
    For Americans, reducing income disparity, which in turn would allow more money to flow within the US. For foreign employees, ending a program of indentured servitude that dangles the prospect of citizenship in front of them while providing substandard pay and limited mobility. For foreign governments, bringing talent back to their countries rather than cash, enabling the development of their own businesses and growth of their own economy.
    - conanbatt 8y ago
      > For Americans, reducing income disparity, which in turn would allow more money to flow within the US. You mean increase income disparity. More foreign software engineers would lower the median salary of a software engineer in the us, which is in the top bracket of earners. Increasing the salary of software engineers increases income disparity between those and the median. Also, i thought the point was to make an ethical one, not a money one. > For foreign employees, ending a program of indentured servitude that dangles the prospect of citizenship in front of them while providing substandard pay and limited mobility. Oh why thank you. Did you ask foreign employees if they like your idea of banning them from the US for their own benefit? > For foreign governments, bringing talent back to their countries rather than cash, enabling the development of their own businesses and growth of their own economy. If you have a concern for the well-being of foreign governments over the interests in the US, you can advocate or better measures than punishing foreign people.
Faark 8y ago
> That’s not greed, that’s smart business. It's usually both, when we talk about screwing others in a legal way. But we have to keep the big picture in mind. For people to live together, they need to perceive society to be kind of fair. Otherwise they don't have a problem burning it to the ground... by e.g. voting for a moron to govern them in hope for change. Having reasonable pressure on prices (including wages) to improve the economy is beneficial to society. Citizens having to compete with people that show an uncomfortable similarity to slaves (especially the dependency on employer aspect) seems beyond that.