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Intel has addressed the issue. It was a misunderstanding on Debian's part: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17801931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17

by ccnafr 8y ago

Intel has addressed the issue. It was a misunderstanding on Debian's part: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17801931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17801931

e12e 8y ago
That thread seems to highlight a number of issues remaining. There even seems to be restrictions on commercial use, so making it illegal to make and sell Debian install media with firmware blobs?
benchaney 8y ago
The contents of legal documents is authoritative in this situation. Not tweets by spokespeople.
- oasisbob 8y ago
  Intel's spokesman isn't saying "ignore the license, distribution is fine, I promise" - he's pointing out the clause in the license which is intended to allow redistribution.
  - manicdee 8y ago
    A single clause doesn't make a legal agreement. It only allows redistribution given other conditions placed on it directly and indirectly by the rest of the license and other documents that relate. It's entirely possible that redistribution is allowed in very limited circumstances that do not include Debian's distribution model. The Intel spokesman's lack of understanding of Debian's context doesn't mean Debian's mistaken.
floatingatoll 8y ago
Your second sentence is inappropriate — as an outsider to Debian and its legal evaluations, you have no standing to make a statement on behalf of Debian based solely on Intel’s public comment on Twitter. If and when Debian Legal concurs with the interpretation Intel asserts, then it is fine to say it is “addressed”. Until then, it is not okay for you to cite a statement from Intel as relevant in any way whatsoever to Debian and their position. That’s for Debian to judge and provide.
alxlaz 8y ago
Have you read the rest of the document? That clause does allow redistribution, but according to Appendix A, redistribution is allowed (in unmodified, binary form) only for personal use.
JdeBP 8y ago
Actually, that's Imad Sousou of Intel making 1 Twitter comment, followed up by several people making the same points as made elsewhere in this very discussion (q.v.), all of which have gone unanswered by Imad Sousou so far.

by ccnafr 8y ago

Intel has addressed the issue. It was a misunderstanding on Debian's part: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17801931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17801931

e12e 8y ago

That thread seems to highlight a number of issues remaining. There even seems to be restrictions on commercial use, so making it illegal to make and sell Debian install media with firmware blobs?

benchaney 8y ago

The contents of legal documents is authoritative in this situation. Not tweets by spokespeople.

oasisbob 8y ago
Intel's spokesman isn't saying "ignore the license, distribution is fine, I promise" - he's pointing out the clause in the license which is intended to allow redistribution.
- manicdee 8y ago
  A single clause doesn't make a legal agreement. It only allows redistribution given other conditions placed on it directly and indirectly by the rest of the license and other documents that relate. It's entirely possible that redistribution is allowed in very limited circumstances that do not include Debian's distribution model. The Intel spokesman's lack of understanding of Debian's context doesn't mean Debian's mistaken.

floatingatoll 8y ago

Your second sentence is inappropriate — as an outsider to Debian and its legal evaluations, you have no standing to make a statement on behalf of Debian based solely on Intel’s public comment on Twitter. If and when Debian Legal concurs with the interpretation Intel asserts, then it is fine to say it is “addressed”. Until then, it is not okay for you to cite a statement from Intel as relevant in any way whatsoever to Debian and their position. That’s for Debian to judge and provide.

alxlaz 8y ago

Have you read the rest of the document? That clause does allow redistribution, but according to Appendix A, redistribution is allowed (in unmodified, binary form) only for personal use.

JdeBP 8y ago

Actually, that's Imad Sousou of Intel making 1 Twitter comment, followed up by several people making the same points as made elsewhere in this very discussion (q.v.), all of which have gone unanswered by Imad Sousou so far.