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...because I've read a few medical books (randomly picked) and ended with contradictory reasonings and conclusion. Could you list some of those books?

agumonkey 8y ago
Humm one is cardiology book (in french) by jacques de praepe (I bought it), the others I don't remember, a mix of pubmed publications, lab textbooks on researchers webpage, youtube videos.
agumonkey 8y ago
ps: I'm reading 'fats of life' by Glen Lawrence. I'll report if it gives a clear picture. One good thing from the first pages, is that it explains that fat is implied in a lot of subsystems. Fatty acids that are bad for your vascular system can help to avoid cancer, arthritis and other kinds of conditions... so it's not a one dimensional question. I like that.
- wozniacki 8y ago
  Other than credential-spotting ( looking up how many esteemed institutions a person is associated with ) how does one decide whose book to even peruse and whose to dismiss. Its really mind numbing that we have so much confusion in such an important space as nutrition. Just look at the credentials of the expert that Ms.Teicholz [1] blames for this mess: Alice H. Lichtenstein is a senior scientist and director of the Cardiovascular Nutrition Laboratory at the HNRCA, as well as a Stanley N. Gershoff Professor of Nutrition Science and Policy at the Friedman School. Lichtenstein also serves as the executive editor of the Tufts University Health & Nutrition Letter. Education Hon. Ph.D., 2005, Faculty of Medicine, University of Kuopio (Finland) D.Sc., 1979, Nutritional Biochemistry, Harvard University M.S., 1975, Nutritional Biochemistry, Harvard University M.S., 1973, Nutrition, State College, Pennsylvania State University B.S., 1971, Nutrition, Cornell University Ms. Teicholz was mentioned earlier in the discussion in the threads above.[2] [1] Nina Teicholz - 'The Real Food Politics' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lww5WH7INI&t=12m26s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lww5WH7INI&t=12m26s [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17794606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17794606
  - agumonkey 8y ago
    That's indeed an issue. I believe science is not immune to information overload (just like mainstream with internet). This creates spots / schools of thoughts, and only people working or studying the field can have an opinion whether a book or paper is worth its weight. I guess it's a bit like music, unless you have genius talent out of the box, you will only be able to parse things clearly after 5-10 years of swimming in the pool. Unless we have something to connect the dots for us, for instance something that can cross correlated data from biological pathways, chemistry, physics, maths, so you know what is solid or not. Also nutrition is too tied to economics and politics, that doesn't help.
  - crphilipp 8y ago
    You need to remember that a lot of the people like Alice H. Lichtenstein are heavily invested in the current thoughts on nutrition. I can not stress enough that "The Big Fat Surprise" is very informative about the current state of our nutrition policies here in the United States (and this leaks out of our country into many others that follow it by default). Just watch that "The Real Food Politics" video (see above). Here is another article that specifically addresses this study, http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2018/08/low-moderate-or-high-carbohydrate/ http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2018/08/low-moderate-or-high-carb... Zoe Harcombe takes a hard look at this study, and there are so many problems with this study, I am amazed that it was published, but wait, I would take a look at this, https://twitter.com/WGyogaSC/status/1031258976560852992 https://twitter.com/WGyogaSC/status/1031258976560852992 This was a "paid to publish" study.
    - agumonkey 8y ago
      to you and parent, do you have sources beside pubmed to monitor medical knowledge ?
      - crphilipp 8y ago
        Since you are attacking me and not what I said, can I take there is no fault with my statement?

agumonkey 8y ago

Humm one is cardiology book (in french) by jacques de praepe (I bought it), the others I don't remember, a mix of pubmed publications, lab textbooks on researchers webpage, youtube videos.

agumonkey 8y ago

ps: I'm reading 'fats of life' by Glen Lawrence. I'll report if it gives a clear picture. One good thing from the first pages, is that it explains that fat is implied in a lot of subsystems. Fatty acids that are bad for your vascular system can help to avoid cancer, arthritis and other kinds of conditions... so it's not a one dimensional question. I like that.

wozniacki 8y ago
Other than credential-spotting ( looking up how many esteemed institutions a person is associated with ) how does one decide whose book to even peruse and whose to dismiss. Its really mind numbing that we have so much confusion in such an important space as nutrition. Just look at the credentials of the expert that Ms.Teicholz [1] blames for this mess: Alice H. Lichtenstein is a senior scientist and director of the Cardiovascular Nutrition Laboratory at the HNRCA, as well as a Stanley N. Gershoff Professor of Nutrition Science and Policy at the Friedman School. Lichtenstein also serves as the executive editor of the Tufts University Health & Nutrition Letter. Education Hon. Ph.D., 2005, Faculty of Medicine, University of Kuopio (Finland) D.Sc., 1979, Nutritional Biochemistry, Harvard University M.S., 1975, Nutritional Biochemistry, Harvard University M.S., 1973, Nutrition, State College, Pennsylvania State University B.S., 1971, Nutrition, Cornell University Ms. Teicholz was mentioned earlier in the discussion in the threads above.[2] [1] Nina Teicholz - 'The Real Food Politics' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lww5WH7INI&t=12m26s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lww5WH7INI&t=12m26s [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17794606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17794606
- agumonkey 8y ago
  That's indeed an issue. I believe science is not immune to information overload (just like mainstream with internet). This creates spots / schools of thoughts, and only people working or studying the field can have an opinion whether a book or paper is worth its weight. I guess it's a bit like music, unless you have genius talent out of the box, you will only be able to parse things clearly after 5-10 years of swimming in the pool. Unless we have something to connect the dots for us, for instance something that can cross correlated data from biological pathways, chemistry, physics, maths, so you know what is solid or not. Also nutrition is too tied to economics and politics, that doesn't help.
- crphilipp 8y ago
  You need to remember that a lot of the people like Alice H. Lichtenstein are heavily invested in the current thoughts on nutrition. I can not stress enough that "The Big Fat Surprise" is very informative about the current state of our nutrition policies here in the United States (and this leaks out of our country into many others that follow it by default). Just watch that "The Real Food Politics" video (see above). Here is another article that specifically addresses this study, http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2018/08/low-moderate-or-high-carbohydrate/ http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2018/08/low-moderate-or-high-carb... Zoe Harcombe takes a hard look at this study, and there are so many problems with this study, I am amazed that it was published, but wait, I would take a look at this, https://twitter.com/WGyogaSC/status/1031258976560852992 https://twitter.com/WGyogaSC/status/1031258976560852992 This was a "paid to publish" study.
  - agumonkey 8y ago
    to you and parent, do you have sources beside pubmed to monitor medical knowledge ?
    - crphilipp 8y ago
      Since you are attacking me and not what I said, can I take there is no fault with my statement?