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Google's pullout of China in the first place was their biggest corporate mistake and they should at least try to remedy that. Their absence from China didn't l

Google's pullout of China in the first place was their biggest corporate mistake and they should at least try to remedy that. Their absence from China didn't liberate the Chinese people and their reentry won't either, they need to ignore the hypocrites and do what's best for the company and for the long term they should tweak company culture and make it clear that rank and file employees won't have a say in big picture corporate decisions and planning, they already cost the company dearly and it must not become a habit.

koboll 8y ago
Hey Xi, didn't know you were on HN.
droopyEyelids 8y ago
It's so weird to see people like you write opinions as if you're speaking from a position of authority.
- dang 8y ago
  > people like you No personal swipes, please. Also, people comment like that on internet message boards all the time; it's basically the default style.
justinzollars 8y ago
Its either "Organizing the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." or its a propaganda machine to maintain its position in the Chinese market (which will be the largest in the world soon). I prefer google stick to its mission and serve the 6 billion of us that require free information to do our jobs.
- hmmm5 8y ago
  Being the propaganda machine is the better option because it's going to happen regardless of whether it's Google. Another company will just take Google's place.
  - tivert 8y ago
    > Being the propaganda machine is the better option because it's going to happen regardless of whether it's Google. Another company will just take Google's place. That's a shit argument. In a different context it's "someone's gotta run the gas chambers, so I might as well collect that paycheck." "Just following revenue" is the new "just following orders."
- hatergonnahate 8y ago
  I can't help but notice, by 6B of "us" are you deliberately omitting all Chinese? Don't you think that's inherent racism in you? Can I translate that into you are ok if 1B Chinese is erased from the earth?
seanmcdirmid 8y ago
Google pulled out of China not because they wanted to liberate the Chinese people, but because the PLA was hacking (as the PLA likes to say, “liberating”) Gmail accounts of HK dissidents.
tivert 8y ago
> Their absence from China didn't liberate the Chinese people and their reentry won't either Google's reentry into China will definitely give the Chinese government leverage over them. It's opening the door for stuff like this to happen: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2007/nov/14/news.yahoo https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2007/nov/14/news.yaho... > [Yahoo] claimed it had no choice other than to comply with a request from Beijing to share information about the online activities of the journalists. Yahoo handed their email records to the Chinese government. > The journalists, Wang Xiaoning and Shi Tao, are serving 10-year jail sentences. Wang was accused of "incitement to subvert state power" after he emailed electronic journals advocating democratic reform and establishment of a multiparty system to replace the present authoritarian state. Shi was charged with passing on information that was designated a state secret

koboll 8y ago

Hey Xi, didn't know you were on HN.

droopyEyelids 8y ago

It's so weird to see people like you write opinions as if you're speaking from a position of authority.

dang 8y ago
> people like you No personal swipes, please. Also, people comment like that on internet message boards all the time; it's basically the default style.

justinzollars 8y ago

Its either "Organizing the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." or its a propaganda machine to maintain its position in the Chinese market (which will be the largest in the world soon). I prefer google stick to its mission and serve the 6 billion of us that require free information to do our jobs.

hmmm5 8y ago
Being the propaganda machine is the better option because it's going to happen regardless of whether it's Google. Another company will just take Google's place.
- tivert 8y ago
  > Being the propaganda machine is the better option because it's going to happen regardless of whether it's Google. Another company will just take Google's place. That's a shit argument. In a different context it's "someone's gotta run the gas chambers, so I might as well collect that paycheck." "Just following revenue" is the new "just following orders."
hatergonnahate 8y ago
I can't help but notice, by 6B of "us" are you deliberately omitting all Chinese? Don't you think that's inherent racism in you? Can I translate that into you are ok if 1B Chinese is erased from the earth?

seanmcdirmid 8y ago

Google pulled out of China not because they wanted to liberate the Chinese people, but because the PLA was hacking (as the PLA likes to say, “liberating”) Gmail accounts of HK dissidents.

tivert 8y ago

> Their absence from China didn't liberate the Chinese people and their reentry won't either Google's reentry into China will definitely give the Chinese government leverage over them. It's opening the door for stuff like this to happen: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2007/nov/14/news.yahoo https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2007/nov/14/news.yaho... > [Yahoo] claimed it had no choice other than to comply with a request from Beijing to share information about the online activities of the journalists. Yahoo handed their email records to the Chinese government. > The journalists, Wang Xiaoning and Shi Tao, are serving 10-year jail sentences. Wang was accused of "incitement to subvert state power" after he emailed electronic journals advocating democratic reform and establishment of a multiparty system to replace the present authoritarian state. Shi was charged with passing on information that was designated a state secret