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I'm an American, own and operate two Chinese companies (an operations/engineering consulting company and a factory). I was here when Google left. From the end
by bobjordan 8y ago
I'm an American, own and operate two Chinese companies (an operations/engineering consulting company and a factory). I was here when Google left.
From the end user's viewpoint, internet censorship has only become more strict. While VPN access has never been totally unavailable, it can be painful to use. I've changed my browsing habits to settle for using Bing more than I otherwise would have. At the same time, I'm thankful at least Bing is here. At least, Bing provides reasonable access to search results for technical queries in English. Like, returning helpful answers to Stack Overflow programming questions. Baidu is useless for this.
From a business point of view, to give you some sense of my perspective. I'm not operating with corporate deep pocket money, own 100% of my company, bootstrapped, sales between $1-$3M USD/year for past five years. At this point, I guess I fit into a class of entrepreneur best labeled "multi-national small business owner". It is a tough segment to try to operate in. It requres a complex business structure with entities in several countries (now in China, Hong Kong, and USA). Lots of filings and tax issues to deal with. Being an American makes it even harder with rules and regulations.
So I read this article from the viewpoint of my own biases and experiences (as we all do).
What struck me was, the EFF takes a pain to focus on "the public, Google’s users, and Google’s employees". Further, they ask - "What sacrifices will Google make to its own operating practices in order to enter the Chinese market? Will it have to comply with China’s internal strict regulations, and how will these compromises affect its offerings outside of China?"
From my view, first let me just be frank, China does not give a fuck about Google. If Google comes to China, it will not change China's policy in any way. If Google does not come to China, it will have zero impact on China's policy, in any area.
So to address the first question EFF raises. Yes, with every company that comes to China, the company must adapt to China, not the other way around. There will be many sacrifices and changes to operating practices. As there are for every company that enters China.
For the second question. Yes, to compete here in China, Google will have to adapt to China's strict regulations regarding the things they do not want to be discussed. But, China is well aware of how to operate with separate sets of rules. Hell, they invented "One country, two systems" by integrating Hong Kong. It will not affect Google's offerings outside of China. But while inside their walls, you got to follow their rules.
Last, Google has direct competitors that are in China. This EFF article makes no mention of "shareholders" or "business". But, Google has the responsibility to their shareholders to enter new markets to compete where there is a void. It is not Google's responsibility to fight China. As far as human rights, censorship, etc, that is not Googles fight either, but one thing is certain, choosing to avoid China cannot help things in the future. If you are not here, physically inside China operating, there is zero chance you can have an impact, should the time ever arise.
Net/net. I think it is better for all parties to have Google back in China.
- ardy42 8y ago> It will not affect Google's offerings outside of China. But while inside their walls, you got to follow their rules. No. Having operations in China gives the Chinese government leverage over you, which they're starting to use to pressure companies to toe their line even outside of the PRC. For examples, see the recent articles regarding airline's treatment of Taiwan on their websites [1]. See also how Mercedes-Benz was forced to apologize for posting a Dalai Lama quote on Instagram [2], and how a Marriott employee was fired after he "liked" a post about Tibetan independence [3]. The latter two happened despite both websites being blocked in China. Years ago, Yahoo also handed the Chinese government information revealing the identities of two Chinese pro-democracy activists, which resulted in their imprisonment [4]. Maybe you were too small for them to bother with, but I'm not sure the PRC could resist the temptation of using the leverage they'd have over a Google with significant Chinese operations. After all, Google is the gatekeeper of information in the West (Google Search), and one of the main ways Westerners and dissidents communicate (Gmail). [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-airlines-china/u-s-airlines-poised-to-change-taiwan-references-as-china-deadline-looms-sources-idUSKBN1KE1GB https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-airlines-china/u-s-ai... [2] https://www.dw.com/en/mercedes-bows-to-chinese-pressure-after-dalai-lama-instagram-post-prompts-outrage/a-42475537 https://www.dw.com/en/mercedes-bows-to-chinese-pressure-afte... [3] https://www.wsj.com/articles/marriott-employee-roy-jones-hit-like-then-china-got-mad-1520094910 https://www.wsj.com/articles/marriott-employee-roy-jones-hit... [4] https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3862513&page=1 https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3862513&page=1
- bobjordan 8y agoAny company operating in China must necessarily welcome a new stakeholder to the table, which are the Chinese citizens, themselves. With that, Chinese citizens are on the whole proud nationalists. Flag waving, chest thumping Nationalists, proud of their country and protecting against any perceived or real slight. Sure, many of them are likely Party members, raised from birth. So, it seems hard to discern the line here between it being an actual concerted government action against these companies vs. just simply a function of a gang of these loudly screaming nationalist citizens, connected through social media, calling out the companies.