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Some random highlights: > “Our communications — which Reitman now claims constituted sexual harassment — were between two adults, a gay man and a queer woman,
by peteretep 8y ago
Some random highlights:
> “Our communications — which Reitman now claims constituted sexual harassment — were between two adults, a gay man and a queer woman, who share an Israeli heritage, as well as a penchant for florid and campy communications arising from our common academic backgrounds and sensibilities,”
This is the ... it's not sexual harassment if you're gay and Israeli defense?!
Anyway, that comment makes it sound like she thinks it's all just office-place banter, but:
> In July, she wrote a short email to him: “time for your midday kiss. my image during meditation: we’re on the sofa, your head on my lap, stroking you [sic] forehead, playing softly with yr hair, soothing you, headache gone. Yes?”
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Also:
> In a submission to the Title IX office, Professor Ronell said she had no idea Mr. Reitman was so uncomfortable until she read the investigators’ report.
and
> Maybe, Professor Ronell suggested, he was frustrated because he just wasn’t smart enough ... “His main dilemma was the incoherency in his writing, and lack of a recognizable argument”
Ouch. Also, Reitman is now a "visiting fellow at Harvard", so can't be all that thick.
Finally:
> Diane Davis ... were particularly disturbed that ... Mr. Reitman was using Title IX, a feminist tool, to take down a feminist.
All other points aside, she needs to take a fucking hike.
- swebs 8y agoThat "Israeli heritage" comment threw me for a loop when reading. It just came out of left field. What is she trying to accomplish by adding that?
- Fomite 8y ago"People like us just talk like that..." is a common enough defense.
- djsumdog 8y agoI'm looking back through this ... so .. did he ever tell her to stop? Forget about who is the man and who is the woman in this and think about just two people. The partner, who is your student yes, but they still accept all your flirtations, sleep in the same bed with you, cuddle with you, and either don't show any signs they're uncomfortable or you're just really not socially aware and don't real them. They graduated and then sue you for the entire, what was in your mind, "relationship." She probably loved this guy. She probably thought he loved her, or at least felt something for her. I dunno. Are we going to now require contracts before going into any relationship that might involve a power dynamic?
- lainga 8y agoUnder the aegis of #metoo, he had to give explicit consent.
- horsawlarway 8y agoRight from the article: ---- “She put my hands onto her breasts, and was pressing herself — her buttocks — onto my crotch,” he said. “She was kissing me, kissing my hands, kissing my torso.” That evening, a similar scene played out again, he said. He confronted her the next morning, he said. “I said, look, what happened yesterday was not O.K. You’re my adviser,” ----
- IshKebab 8y agoNot the strongest "no". But on the other hand how many of the #metoo women said no? I think the implication is that they don't have the option.
- justwalt 8y agoNot the strongest no? I don’t think it left any room for doubt.
- RangerScience 8y agoI would agree. Part of why it's risky ground to try to be in some kind of romantic/sexual relationship while there is a institutional power dynamic between two people is the risk that the one in less power cannot say "No", and/or that saying "no" will be detrimental to their well-being.
- deadmetheny 8y agosounds like victim blaming but OK
- dhimes 8y agoWhy the heck is this being downvoted? That is the big problem: When someone has power over you you don't have the option to say "no." That's the entire goddamn point.
- tathougies 8y ago> Diane Davis ... were particularly disturbed that ... Mr. Reitman was using Title IX a [good old girls network] tool, to take down a [good old girl]. fixed that for you.
- wetpaws 8y agoLast sentence makes me sick. Sharks had their share of cheap blood, it's time for them to taste their medicine.
- peteretep 8y agoDon't dismiss a whole, useful movement simply because some adherents are assholes.