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Does anyone have the PDF to the full article? I'm curious to read more than the summary.

by qiqing 8y ago

ProAm 8y ago
You can buy it right on the site, its only 31 dollars.
- VMG 8y ago
  That's incredibly expensive
  - mirimir 8y ago
    Yes, and they don't accept Bitcoin :)
  - ProAm 8y ago
    Maybe email the authors? Its weird to see people asking to steal something straight up on HN. Its a product, has a price, and people dont want to pay it, and $31.50 is cheap.
    - eximius 8y ago
      1. The paper isn't the product, the journal is. 2. The paper is free. 3. $31.50 isn't cheap for a digital copy of a casual read.
      - ProAm 8y ago
        That's the cost though. I can complain all day about how expensive everyone's startup product is, but that's the price. Is it wrong for me to steal those products?
        geoalchimista 8y ago
        I'm afraid the case isn't that simple for academic publishing. The authors, i.e., scientists who conducted the research, usually pay a lot of money (typically 1500--2500 USD, depending on the journal) to the journal to get their paper published (of course, after peer review). In this process, neither the authors nor the reviewers get any payment for their work, although they put the most amount of efforts into it. On the other hand, most research papers are funded by the taxpayers, yet the products, aka the published papers, are behind the paywall for individual citizens. The publishers did nothing except typesetting, publishing, and maintaining an online database, but they profit the most from a researcher's work. Besides, some journals may even require the authors to sign away their copyright, meaning the publisher legally owns the work. In my humble opinion, this is a kleptocratic model and I have no idea why academia has tolerated this for years. But I'm not suggesting any disruptive way to enforce social justice. I just want to emphasize that requesting the papers directly from the authors is totally legal and fair use, if someone does not feel comfortable to use sci-hub.
        ProAm 8y ago
        While the system isn't perfect, advocating stealing someones product seems so backwards for a startup accelerators forum. >The publishers did nothing except typesetting, publishing, and maintaining an online database, Lets not act like this is nothing, if the authors wanted they could have self published but likely their results wouldnt be accepted, so not only do they provide the infrastructure, it also provides credibility which has its own worth.. The system has been less than perfect for years, but so are many things, Im just surprised to see it considered acceptable behavior on HN, where as if anyone suggested people torrent other works would be shutdown immediately. Not arguing with you directly (just a general reply), just surprised at the hypocrisy that HN'ers will support when it benefits their self interests.
        Dylan16807 8y ago
        It's not hypocrisy. You just disagree.
        VMG 8y ago
        I'm not advocating stealing. It's not the publishers property.
        eximius 8y ago
        If I run a lemonade stand where my lemonade is free (because I'm a nice guy) but the bridge everyone knows to use to get to my house has a toll, is it stealing to ask if there is a non-tolled bridge to get where I am?
aftbit 8y ago
Check Sci-Hub. Their domain changes all the time though, so here's my procedure: 1. Go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub 2. Click the first link on the right-hand sidebar under "website". 3. Paste the OP's link there.
geoalchimista 8y ago
You can find download links from Google Scholar. Here is one from researchgate posted by the corresponding author (which is totally legal): https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leonardo_Trasande/publication/309306512_Exposure_to_endocrine-disrupting_chemicals_in_the_USA_a_population-based_disease_burden_and_cost_analysis/links/580a284c08ae74852b52ef36.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leonardo_Trasande/publi... Don't pay for the article. The money goes 100% to the publisher not the authors.
- qiqing 8y ago
  Thanks! In case anyone is curious, I found the excerpt that had what I was looking for (the list of specific endocrine disrupting compounds). From page 2: "The probabilities had been based on assessment of the toxicological and epidemiological evidence for 15 exposure–response relations between EDCs (PBDEs, organophosphate pesticides, dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, di-2-ethylhexylphthalate, bisphenol A, benzylphthalates and butylphthalates, and exposures to combinations of these substances; appendix) and disorders (loss of intelligence quotient [IQ] points and consequent intellectual disability, attention deﬁcit hyperactivity disorder, autism, adult and childhood obesity, adult diabetes, crypt-orchidism, testicular cancer, male factor infertility, early cardiovascular mortality due to reduced testosterone, leiomyomas, and endometriosis) with use of a modiﬁed Delphi approach to achieve consensus."
monocasa 8y ago
Pasting the doi link into sci-hub.tw will get it for you.
Nokinside 8y ago
just add the DOI of the article after: http://sci-hub.tw/ http://sci-hub.tw/ For example http://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/S2213-8587(16)30275-3 http://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/S2213-8587(16)30275-3
- mirimir 8y ago
  https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1016/S2213-8587(16)30275-3 https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1016/S2213-8587(16)302... works

Does anyone have the PDF to the full article? I'm curious to read more than the summary.

by qiqing 8y ago

Does anyone have the PDF to the full article? I'm curious to read more than the summary.

ProAm 8y ago

You can buy it right on the site, its only 31 dollars.

VMG 8y ago
That's incredibly expensive
- mirimir 8y ago
  Yes, and they don't accept Bitcoin :)
- ProAm 8y ago
  Maybe email the authors? Its weird to see people asking to steal something straight up on HN. Its a product, has a price, and people dont want to pay it, and $31.50 is cheap.
  - eximius 8y ago
    1. The paper isn't the product, the journal is. 2. The paper is free. 3. $31.50 isn't cheap for a digital copy of a casual read.
    - ProAm 8y ago
      That's the cost though. I can complain all day about how expensive everyone's startup product is, but that's the price. Is it wrong for me to steal those products?
      - geoalchimista 8y ago
        I'm afraid the case isn't that simple for academic publishing. The authors, i.e., scientists who conducted the research, usually pay a lot of money (typically 1500--2500 USD, depending on the journal) to the journal to get their paper published (of course, after peer review). In this process, neither the authors nor the reviewers get any payment for their work, although they put the most amount of efforts into it. On the other hand, most research papers are funded by the taxpayers, yet the products, aka the published papers, are behind the paywall for individual citizens. The publishers did nothing except typesetting, publishing, and maintaining an online database, but they profit the most from a researcher's work. Besides, some journals may even require the authors to sign away their copyright, meaning the publisher legally owns the work. In my humble opinion, this is a kleptocratic model and I have no idea why academia has tolerated this for years. But I'm not suggesting any disruptive way to enforce social justice. I just want to emphasize that requesting the papers directly from the authors is totally legal and fair use, if someone does not feel comfortable to use sci-hub.
        ProAm 8y ago
        While the system isn't perfect, advocating stealing someones product seems so backwards for a startup accelerators forum. >The publishers did nothing except typesetting, publishing, and maintaining an online database, Lets not act like this is nothing, if the authors wanted they could have self published but likely their results wouldnt be accepted, so not only do they provide the infrastructure, it also provides credibility which has its own worth.. The system has been less than perfect for years, but so are many things, Im just surprised to see it considered acceptable behavior on HN, where as if anyone suggested people torrent other works would be shutdown immediately. Not arguing with you directly (just a general reply), just surprised at the hypocrisy that HN'ers will support when it benefits their self interests.
        Dylan16807 8y ago
        It's not hypocrisy. You just disagree.
        VMG 8y ago
        I'm not advocating stealing. It's not the publishers property.
      - eximius 8y ago
        If I run a lemonade stand where my lemonade is free (because I'm a nice guy) but the bridge everyone knows to use to get to my house has a toll, is it stealing to ask if there is a non-tolled bridge to get where I am?

aftbit 8y ago

Check Sci-Hub. Their domain changes all the time though, so here's my procedure: 1. Go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub 2. Click the first link on the right-hand sidebar under "website". 3. Paste the OP's link there.

geoalchimista 8y ago

You can find download links from Google Scholar. Here is one from researchgate posted by the corresponding author (which is totally legal): https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leonardo_Trasande/publication/309306512_Exposure_to_endocrine-disrupting_chemicals_in_the_USA_a_population-based_disease_burden_and_cost_analysis/links/580a284c08ae74852b52ef36.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leonardo_Trasande/publi... Don't pay for the article. The money goes 100% to the publisher not the authors.

qiqing 8y ago
Thanks! In case anyone is curious, I found the excerpt that had what I was looking for (the list of specific endocrine disrupting compounds). From page 2: "The probabilities had been based on assessment of the toxicological and epidemiological evidence for 15 exposure–response relations between EDCs (PBDEs, organophosphate pesticides, dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, di-2-ethylhexylphthalate, bisphenol A, benzylphthalates and butylphthalates, and exposures to combinations of these substances; appendix) and disorders (loss of intelligence quotient [IQ] points and consequent intellectual disability, attention deﬁcit hyperactivity disorder, autism, adult and childhood obesity, adult diabetes, crypt-orchidism, testicular cancer, male factor infertility, early cardiovascular mortality due to reduced testosterone, leiomyomas, and endometriosis) with use of a modiﬁed Delphi approach to achieve consensus."

monocasa 8y ago

Pasting the doi link into sci-hub.tw will get it for you.

Nokinside 8y ago

just add the DOI of the article after: http://sci-hub.tw/ http://sci-hub.tw/ For example http://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/S2213-8587(16)30275-3 http://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/S2213-8587(16)30275-3

mirimir 8y ago
https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1016/S2213-8587(16)30275-3 https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1016/S2213-8587(16)302... works