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Exactly right. Much more attention needs to be brought to this subject. Imagining Google Cloud having as much market share as AWS is downright nightmarish. It w
by miracle2k 8y ago
Exactly right. Much more attention needs to be brought to this subject. Imagining Google Cloud having as much market share as AWS is downright nightmarish. It would break large parts of the internet in those countries. I regularly travel to Iran, and can attest to a large number of random breakages (for example: the documentation of the date-fns library, because it loads data from Firebase).
Google as an infrastructure provider simply has no business being involved in where my content is available. If they sell me a server that is not accessible from certain locations on the internet, I consider them to be selling a broken product.
- zzzcpan 8y agoGoogle is very pro-government, pro-censorship, pro-regulations, pro-military. It's better to just accept that it will never be a decent infrastructure provider because of that.
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- glogla 8y agoI know Amazon or Microsoft aren't much better, but it's sad to see Gitlab use Google. I though Gitlab are the good guys.
- smallbigfish 8y agoLast year we couldn't access some aws server at work because it was on US gov blacklist. An aws server that hosted maybe hundreds of other unrelated websites. Amazon is just as bad. But I guess they have better PR.
- kayone 8y agoYou couldn't access _some_ AWS servers for a _period of time_, and you think it's equivalent to people in Iran, Cuba, etc. being completely blocked out of GCP? And the only difference is marketing?
- ZiiS 8y agoYour post makes it sounds like it is US Gov that is behaving like Google (i.e. running blacklists) not AWS?
- tootie 8y agoThey voluntarily withdrew from China to avoid censorship even though they are now backtracking that decision. Amazon was the one providing facial recognition to law enforcement. I don't see any of them as clear "good guys" or "bad guys".
- _wmd 8y agoThey withdrew from China due to the scorn of their security team having their asses handed to them by the people's liberation army ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora ). 3 years later the exact same thing happened with the NSA ( Snowden leaks, NYTimes front page quotes of Google engineers swearing at internal network diagrams appearing in the leaks ), only ragequitting your home country doesn't quite work so easily Snark aside, the asymmetry in their dealings with foreign governments compared to their own is quite illuminating, and the above is by far not the only such incident
- JetSpiegel 8y agoMore context on the "backtracking" remark: https://theintercept.com/2018/08/08/google-censorship-china-blacklist/ https://theintercept.com/2018/08/08/google-censorship-china-... They bought a Chinese directory with a "search engine" that just redirects to Baidu, but kept all the juicy search terms to seed the future product.
- ma2rten 8y agoI work at Google. Google can be very conservative and risk-averse in following regulations, but ask far as I can tell Google is one of the least pro-government, pro-censorship, pro-regulations, pro-military corporations in the world.
- CryoLogic 8y agoThere are hundreds of instances of Google censoring websites, YouTube channels and plus accounts that promoted political philosophies that did not agree with the company culture. I think by that metric Google is very pro censorship when it comes to their own social media platforms
- mavhc 8y agoName 5
- trumped 8y agosometimes they do a "soft" censor and just push them down the search result list so that any casual user would never see them... but they also do some hard censoring.
- dane-pgp 8y agoIs your point that Google haven't censored more than 5 times, or that Google mostly censors people who aren't famous/memorable and therefore it's hard to name 5? https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/816mzt/big_alphabetical_list_of_banned_youtube_channels/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/816mzt/big_alph... Perhaps you're saying that, if provided with a list of 5 examples, you would defend why Google chose to censor in those specific cases. Unfortunately I don't know enough about the details of all these cases to be able to pick 5 particularly controversial examples, but I still feel uneasy about the amount of power Google has to silence opinions it disagrees with.
- agildehaus 8y agoLinking /r/conspiracy doesn't help your case.
- fierro 8y agoJust literally so wrong lol. Not even any citations or sources
- tanilama 8y agoBecause they are targets of everybody, liberals and conservatives alike, even their own employees. Everybody want to have a piece of Google in the fuzz they intended to create just to advance their own agenda. I won't blame Google for playing safe
- fierro 8y agoTalk about hyperbole. "Nightmarish" smh
- miracle2k 8y agoImagine the internet with all AWS data centers inaccessible to you.
- yzmtf2008 8y agoGoogle as an infrastructure provider simply has no business being involved in where my content is available. No, Google has no business in it, but export control does.
- manquer 8y agoMicrosoft and AWS don't seem to have any problems complying with the law
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