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> Their plan is to cut the little existing social net, destroy public education, and put everyone who complains under military surveillance. Can you give sourc

by slig 8y ago

> Their plan is to cut the little existing social net, destroy public education, and put everyone who complains under military surveillance. Can you give sources for that affirmations?

joe_the_user 8y ago
Just googling: Brazil: Social services cuts ahead of 2016 Rio Olympics - Amnesty International: https://www.amnesty.org.au/brazil-social-services-cut-olympics/ https://www.amnesty.org.au/brazil-social-services-cut-olympi... Brazil’s Government Cuts Social Programs to Subsidize Fuel: http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazils-government-cuts-social-programs-to-subsidize-fuel/ http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazils-g... Brazil Cuts 5 Million People from Its Popular Social Program Bolsa Família http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-popular-social-program-bolsa-familia/ http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-pop... http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-popular-social-program-bolsa-familia/ http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-pop... The article mentioned police killings already being part of the problem. It's common to claim one solve the murder problem by unleashing the police but it is generally documented that police enmeshed in the drug trade and allowing more ex-judicial police murders will just make cops that commonly used enforcers for various drug gangs (a pattern also seen in Mexico where the army was then "leashed" to fight local cops and drug lords, and with no actual reigning in of corruption, you can expect army segments fighting each).
epx 8y ago
He cannot because it is not true. Even the leftists (the true-blue ones) admit that left leaning governments have dropped the ball big time regarding security. As other comments already clarified, 90% of the problem is drug-related, the correct fix would be the decriminalization of them.
- slig 8y ago
  I know. This is the second time in a couple of weeks that I seem blatant lies about my country here on HN.
  - kikoreis 8y ago
    It's my country too, and I don't recognize any lies in what was linked. Can you link to sources for your claim?
    - slig 8y ago
      I don't see any lies on what was linked as well, but they are not sources for what he said.
  - epx 8y ago
    For the comments I can see that do many people are trying to excuse the "left" government instead of proposing solutions. This explains alone how we got in this situation.
- coliveira 8y ago
  Just look at the links in the parallel comment.
  - slig 8y ago
    Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.
    - coliveira 8y ago
      Millions of Brazilians Fall Back into Poverty https://apnews.com/89afd8d964984eb69678129e7d4a16cc https://apnews.com/89afd8d964984eb69678129e7d4a16cc "Meanwhile, budgetary pressures and the conservative policies of President Michel Temer are translating into cuts in social services. Among those hit is the Bolsa Familia — Family Allowance — program that gives small subsidies each month to qualifying low-income people. It’s credited with much of the poverty reduction during Brazil’s boom decade."
      - slig 8y ago
        This hardly means that the plan is to "cut the little social net" like you said. Also, couple of paragraphs bellow: > "An Associated Press review of Bolsa Familia data found coverage declined 4 percentage points between May 2016, when Temer became acting president, and May of this year. Part of that may be due to a crackdown on alleged fraud that started late last year. Temer’s administration announced it had found “irregularities” in the records of 1.1 million recipients — about 8 percent of the 14 million people who receive the benefit. The infractions ranged from fraud to families that were earning above $150 a month, the cutoff to receive the benefit."
        coliveira 8y ago
        Temer’s administration has cut or blocked 1.1 million families from the flagship social program Bolsa Familia, or Family Purse. The program provides a small income to poor families who send their children to school and keep them under a doctor’s supervision, according to government figures. Data released to The Associated Press after a request was made under Brazil’s freedom of information law shows that most cities affected by cuts to the Family Purse program were based in the poorest regions of Brazil, the north and northeast. Those areas are strongholds of Temer’s adversaries, including former President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. https://www.apnews.com/8be796a4692442b8befc65fa0c66d823 https://www.apnews.com/8be796a4692442b8befc65fa0c66d823

by slig 8y ago

> Their plan is to cut the little existing social net, destroy public education, and put everyone who complains under military surveillance. Can you give sources for that affirmations?

joe_the_user 8y ago

Just googling: Brazil: Social services cuts ahead of 2016 Rio Olympics - Amnesty International: https://www.amnesty.org.au/brazil-social-services-cut-olympics/ https://www.amnesty.org.au/brazil-social-services-cut-olympi... Brazil’s Government Cuts Social Programs to Subsidize Fuel: http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazils-government-cuts-social-programs-to-subsidize-fuel/ http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazils-g... Brazil Cuts 5 Million People from Its Popular Social Program Bolsa Família http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-popular-social-program-bolsa-familia/ http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-pop... http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-popular-social-program-bolsa-familia/ http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-pop... The article mentioned police killings already being part of the problem. It's common to claim one solve the murder problem by unleashing the police but it is generally documented that police enmeshed in the drug trade and allowing more ex-judicial police murders will just make cops that commonly used enforcers for various drug gangs (a pattern also seen in Mexico where the army was then "leashed" to fight local cops and drug lords, and with no actual reigning in of corruption, you can expect army segments fighting each).

epx 8y ago

He cannot because it is not true. Even the leftists (the true-blue ones) admit that left leaning governments have dropped the ball big time regarding security. As other comments already clarified, 90% of the problem is drug-related, the correct fix would be the decriminalization of them.

slig 8y ago
I know. This is the second time in a couple of weeks that I seem blatant lies about my country here on HN.
- kikoreis 8y ago
  It's my country too, and I don't recognize any lies in what was linked. Can you link to sources for your claim?
  - slig 8y ago
    I don't see any lies on what was linked as well, but they are not sources for what he said.
- epx 8y ago
  For the comments I can see that do many people are trying to excuse the "left" government instead of proposing solutions. This explains alone how we got in this situation.
coliveira 8y ago
Just look at the links in the parallel comment.
- slig 8y ago
  Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.
  - coliveira 8y ago
    Millions of Brazilians Fall Back into Poverty https://apnews.com/89afd8d964984eb69678129e7d4a16cc https://apnews.com/89afd8d964984eb69678129e7d4a16cc "Meanwhile, budgetary pressures and the conservative policies of President Michel Temer are translating into cuts in social services. Among those hit is the Bolsa Familia — Family Allowance — program that gives small subsidies each month to qualifying low-income people. It’s credited with much of the poverty reduction during Brazil’s boom decade."
    - slig 8y ago
      This hardly means that the plan is to "cut the little social net" like you said. Also, couple of paragraphs bellow: > "An Associated Press review of Bolsa Familia data found coverage declined 4 percentage points between May 2016, when Temer became acting president, and May of this year. Part of that may be due to a crackdown on alleged fraud that started late last year. Temer’s administration announced it had found “irregularities” in the records of 1.1 million recipients — about 8 percent of the 14 million people who receive the benefit. The infractions ranged from fraud to families that were earning above $150 a month, the cutoff to receive the benefit."
      - coliveira 8y ago
        Temer’s administration has cut or blocked 1.1 million families from the flagship social program Bolsa Familia, or Family Purse. The program provides a small income to poor families who send their children to school and keep them under a doctor’s supervision, according to government figures. Data released to The Associated Press after a request was made under Brazil’s freedom of information law shows that most cities affected by cuts to the Family Purse program were based in the poorest regions of Brazil, the north and northeast. Those areas are strongholds of Temer’s adversaries, including former President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. https://www.apnews.com/8be796a4692442b8befc65fa0c66d823 https://www.apnews.com/8be796a4692442b8befc65fa0c66d823