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Correct, and this happens because Brazil is one of the most disgustingly unequal countries in the world. There was a small pause during the leftist governments

Correct, and this happens because Brazil is one of the most disgustingly unequal countries in the world. There was a small pause during the leftist governments when there was a noted improvement in social support for the poor, but the recent events have brought even that to an end. The current government is not only corrupt but is completely anti-people. Their plan is to cut the little existing social net, destroy public education, and put everyone who complains under military surveillance.

slig 8y ago
> Their plan is to cut the little existing social net, destroy public education, and put everyone who complains under military surveillance. Can you give sources for that affirmations?
- joe_the_user 8y ago
  Just googling: Brazil: Social services cuts ahead of 2016 Rio Olympics - Amnesty International: https://www.amnesty.org.au/brazil-social-services-cut-olympics/ https://www.amnesty.org.au/brazil-social-services-cut-olympi... Brazil’s Government Cuts Social Programs to Subsidize Fuel: http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazils-government-cuts-social-programs-to-subsidize-fuel/ http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazils-g... Brazil Cuts 5 Million People from Its Popular Social Program Bolsa Família http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-popular-social-program-bolsa-familia/ http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-pop... http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-popular-social-program-bolsa-familia/ http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-pop... The article mentioned police killings already being part of the problem. It's common to claim one solve the murder problem by unleashing the police but it is generally documented that police enmeshed in the drug trade and allowing more ex-judicial police murders will just make cops that commonly used enforcers for various drug gangs (a pattern also seen in Mexico where the army was then "leashed" to fight local cops and drug lords, and with no actual reigning in of corruption, you can expect army segments fighting each).
- epx 8y ago
  He cannot because it is not true. Even the leftists (the true-blue ones) admit that left leaning governments have dropped the ball big time regarding security. As other comments already clarified, 90% of the problem is drug-related, the correct fix would be the decriminalization of them.
  - slig 8y ago
    I know. This is the second time in a couple of weeks that I seem blatant lies about my country here on HN.
    - kikoreis 8y ago
      It's my country too, and I don't recognize any lies in what was linked. Can you link to sources for your claim?
      - slig 8y ago
        I don't see any lies on what was linked as well, but they are not sources for what he said.
    - epx 8y ago
      For the comments I can see that do many people are trying to excuse the "left" government instead of proposing solutions. This explains alone how we got in this situation.
  - coliveira 8y ago
    Just look at the links in the parallel comment.
    - slig 8y ago
      Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.
      - 8y ago
ulzeraj 8y ago
The leftist government ruled for 14 years and its responsible for most of the economic and violence problems. What you are saying is that as soon as Dilma was impeached 14 million people lost their jobs and violence skyrocketed. This is simply not true and you are clearly biased. These things don’t happen overnight or even over the span of a couple years. If anything the current government actually improved the economic situation specially when they restricted rampart government spending.

slig 8y ago

> Their plan is to cut the little existing social net, destroy public education, and put everyone who complains under military surveillance. Can you give sources for that affirmations?

joe_the_user 8y ago
Just googling: Brazil: Social services cuts ahead of 2016 Rio Olympics - Amnesty International: https://www.amnesty.org.au/brazil-social-services-cut-olympics/ https://www.amnesty.org.au/brazil-social-services-cut-olympi... Brazil’s Government Cuts Social Programs to Subsidize Fuel: http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazils-government-cuts-social-programs-to-subsidize-fuel/ http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazils-g... Brazil Cuts 5 Million People from Its Popular Social Program Bolsa Família http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-popular-social-program-bolsa-familia/ http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-pop... http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-popular-social-program-bolsa-familia/ http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-pop... The article mentioned police killings already being part of the problem. It's common to claim one solve the murder problem by unleashing the police but it is generally documented that police enmeshed in the drug trade and allowing more ex-judicial police murders will just make cops that commonly used enforcers for various drug gangs (a pattern also seen in Mexico where the army was then "leashed" to fight local cops and drug lords, and with no actual reigning in of corruption, you can expect army segments fighting each).
epx 8y ago
He cannot because it is not true. Even the leftists (the true-blue ones) admit that left leaning governments have dropped the ball big time regarding security. As other comments already clarified, 90% of the problem is drug-related, the correct fix would be the decriminalization of them.
- slig 8y ago
  I know. This is the second time in a couple of weeks that I seem blatant lies about my country here on HN.
  - kikoreis 8y ago
    It's my country too, and I don't recognize any lies in what was linked. Can you link to sources for your claim?
    - slig 8y ago
      I don't see any lies on what was linked as well, but they are not sources for what he said.
  - epx 8y ago
    For the comments I can see that do many people are trying to excuse the "left" government instead of proposing solutions. This explains alone how we got in this situation.
- coliveira 8y ago
  Just look at the links in the parallel comment.
  - slig 8y ago
    Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.
    - 8y ago

ulzeraj 8y ago

The leftist government ruled for 14 years and its responsible for most of the economic and violence problems. What you are saying is that as soon as Dilma was impeached 14 million people lost their jobs and violence skyrocketed. This is simply not true and you are clearly biased. These things don’t happen overnight or even over the span of a couple years. If anything the current government actually improved the economic situation specially when they restricted rampart government spending.