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User banned from Das Keyboard forums for telling people of open-source drivers
- ElCapitanMarkla 8y agoJust out of curiosity, what's everyone's prefered keyboard these days? I was getting aches in my hands / wrists so I grabbed a MS Sculpt L5V-00001 last year and couldn't be happier with it. After working on a Macbook (2013 style, not the new ones) for the last few years I can't really see myself going for something with a huge amount of key travel anymore.
- roel_v 8y agoHave used Ergodox for 2 years, quite satisfied with it, but I can't get used to not having labels. I received my Ultimate Hacker Keyboard (unfortunate name...) last week but haven't had a chance yet to plug it in - I imagine there will be some switching cost that I don't have time for. But it looks very well build, and it has proper labels printed on all keys, yay.
- blattimwind 8y agoIt always seemed odd to me that an American company tries to use an ostensibly German brand name to imply quality, instead of going for Made in US. Of course, they don't make these in the US... they're made by some contractors in China and/or Taiwan.
- 21 8y agoI'm not sure that was the intention. There is another trend where you would name it "Le Keyboard"
- superflyguy 8y agoSorry to break this to you but outside the US "made in the US" is up there with "made in China" as an indicator of quality.
- dismantlethesun 8y agoI can't speak of outside of it, but inside the US, "Made in China" isn't an indication of quality either ways. The cheapest flimsiest forks are made in China, but then so are Apple computers. Also, counter intuitively, "Made in the USA" within the USA is seen as a generic product that is obviously trying to trade on Americanism to interest you in buying it. Quality products usually name the specific state they are made in (e.g. Apple labels themselves as 'designed in California').
- BenjaminBini 8y agoI think by ""made in the US" is up there with "made in China" as an indicator of quality", he meant really low quality.
- dismantlethesun 8y agoI suppose so, but the statement was just the sort of snarky one-liner that invites conversation by implying a lot of subtext.
- hoorayimhelping 8y agoI think the person you're replying to understands that, they were responding to the snark with facts: basically saying "hey, your stereotype is out of date: in the US, made in China doens't necessarily mean "crap" anymore, e.g. Apple."
- pasabagi 8y agoNot always true. Some tools 'made in the US' are really great, high-quality. Then again, Sainsmart made a soldering iron recently that was very good quality - so I guess China will soon become a purveyor of quality objects. It already is, in some sense - it's just a matter of separating them from the trash.
- superflyguy 8y agoYes, notice that I didn't say the US produces no quality products.
- cuillevel3 8y agoMaybe because of die German Cherry MX switches... oh the 5Q doesn't even use those. They should have called it 'Die Tastatur', sounds very rammsteiny.
- emsy 8y agoAnd grammaticaly correct.
- genericid 8y ago"Das Keyboard" is grammaticaly correct, but useless when you need the letters i-z.
- CrystalGamma 8y agoYes but it refers to an electronic musical keyboard, not a computer keyboard, which is indeed „Tastatur”.
- taejo 8y agoHence "i-z" (in Germany the notes of the chromatic scale go up to H; the German H = English B, Germany B = English B-flat).
- PortableCode 8y agoApparently, posting this link gets you banned: https://github.com/diefarbe https://github.com/diefarbe
- Havoc 8y agoIronically named. DieFarbe = "The Paint"
- ginko 8y agoI don't exactly see the irony here. And it also means "The Color" which is probably a more apt translation in this case.
- mijoharas 8y agoI read it as colour.
- Havoc 8y agoBoth are correct. You'd use a tin of paint/"Farbe" to paint a wall, but saying the your favorite colour/"Farbe" is red is also correct.
- eertami 8y agoIf you're looking for a high quality cherry switched keyboard, Das was already company you wanted to avoid - and now possibly even moreso. Das is definitely a "brand over product" company and the market is flooded with much better alternatives, eg Leopold, Varmilo, IKBC, Vortex, Filco, etc.
- sky_rw 8y agoCurious, what are the primary complaints about them? I've used one for about a year and have had no issues with it.
- taspeotis 8y agoI have had four Das Keyboards and they have been quite good, two years+ out of each, but the USB hubs in all of them have been a bit hit-and-miss. Either devices are not detected in one of the two ports or one seems to charge my iPhone faster than the other. Again, they've been quite good to me but my work and home keyboards both have a dud key (in quick succession) so I am looking for a cost effective Cherry Blue or Brown replacement.
- masklinn 8y ago> two years+ out of each That's… just about nothing for a keyboard. I bought my wireless apple keyboard in 2010 and it's behaving perfectly, my MS Ergo 4000 is 10+ and the only issues with it are the plastic's paint going. And I don't consider these old. I wouldn't accept a fucking battery lasting less than 2 years, how can it be acceptable for a keyboard you found anywhere outside a walmart bargain bin?
- HelloNurse 8y agoI don't remember if the cheap keyboard I have at home is USB or PS/2, but its only signs of aging are dirt and yellowing. After 2 years, a keyboard is supposed to be like new; it isn't a smartphone.
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- lolc 8y agoSounds like they're in the Modder's market: > The Das Keyboard 5Q is a cloud connected keyboard allowing users to display color notifications on each key. Notifications can come from applications such as Twitter, Gmail, eBay, Facebook and many others. Hundreds of applications can be configured via IFTTT and Zapier, transforming the 5Q keyboard into a RGB dashboard. An open REST API is also available for programmers. As with other fashion, don't expect decisions that can be explained rationally from without.
- jotm 8y agoOh reminds me of the Optimus keyboard. It seemed like an ambitious idea a decade ago, each key was supposed to be an individual display. Afaik, it never made it into production. https://www.artlebedev.com/optimus/ https://www.artlebedev.com/optimus/ - the website doesn't work properly, so I'm guessing you still can't buy one?
- newman8r 8y agoI own an optimus popularis. They only ever sold small quantities. Cool idea but not worth it.
- golergka 8y agoDoes anybody has further info on this? For now it's only one tweet directly from the person who was banned without any other sources.
- petepete 8y agoThere's nothing there yet but expect r/mechanicalkeyboards to light up shortly
- Cmerlyn 8y agoIt was on r/mechanicalkeyboards yesterday. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9571bb/das_keyboard_banning_users_from_the_5q_forums_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9571bb...
- ddalex 8y agoI'm amazed that there are still people out there who haven't heard of the Streisand effect yet....
- poizan42 8y agoTake a look at the edit history for the Wikipedia page[0]. This one takes the cake: > I work at the company and the group of people that added this part just stole the code of the company and try to replicate the code. They give a bad influence of the company and what they are doing is against the law. They try to give a bad image of the company everywhere including wikipedia The amount of ignorance shown in that edit comment is just impressive. I doubt they have heard about the Streisand effect. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Das_Keyboard&action=history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Das_Keyboard&acti...
- trzeci 8y agoSide note: I have Das Keyboard 4 Ultimate, so no labels on keys are there. Even with an ordinary keyboard I don't look at it. Who does if it's about writing? I don't understand concept of displaying some information via colors on specific keys.
- waldfee 8y agoAlso see https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9571bb/das_keyboard_banning_users_from_the_5q_forums_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9571bb...
- Denip 8y agoThey had a lot of drama with the production of the 5Q keyboard also as it was crowdfunded. Still don't quite understand why an established keyboard company needed to crowdfund a keyboard...
- michaelt 8y agoThere's really no reason a company wouldn't crowdfund, it's free capital. Investors or a bank loan will demand creditworthiness, interest payments, penalties for late repayment, and if you can't make the promised product or customers don't buy it, they can bankrupt your company. With crowdfunding you have none of those obligations. No credit check, no interest, and you can deliver a late, low quality product, or nothing whatsoever, and the only cost is to your reputation.
- skipthemeat 8y agoAny recommendations for a quiet mechanical keyword (or switch)?
- slezyr 8y agoNo. It's too hard to recommend anything. Different people have different tastes. There are Cherry Browns, Gateron Browns, Kailh Browns, Zealio (bunch of them with different activation weight), and bunch of others. I have 2 keyboards with browns and one with blues. I don't like browns, I want some thing with bigger activation weight.
- jhasse 8y agoLogitech G810
- roel_v 8y agoBuy yourself a key switch tester before you decide, it really helped me out (mostly to know the difference in sound between white/brown and green/blue). I forgot where I bought mine from, but I see you can get them off Banggood for $15 now.
- ajryan 8y agohttps://zealpc.net/products/zilents https://zealpc.net/products/zilents
- Aardwolf 8y agoI don't understand that. You buy a keyboard for the hardware, no? It's the switches and individual diodes and good materials that make it expensive. What makes it more profitable selling a keyboard with proprietary drivers, than one that their users can hack at will? Especially given the target audience of this one. edit: I don't even know why a keyboard would need drivers :p but if it's for fancy colored LEDs or so, yes please make that open and hackable! edit2: oh. cloud connected keyboard. ok.
- squarefoot 8y ago"edit2: oh. cloud connected keyboard. ok." Ouch... A keyboard with closed source and cloud connected drivers isn't exactly something I'd want to write my passwords with, or am I missing something?
- thomasfedb 8y agoNot missing anything, sounds spooky.
- slezyr 8y agoQMK - open source firmware for keyboards. Allows to move around physical keys and add different actions for "hold", "tap" actions. https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/tree/master/keyboards https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/tree/master/keyboards
- ankitp92 8y agoLet's make our voice count and make them apologise, let's spam their twitter by tweeting this link to them https://github.com/diefarbe https://github.com/diefarbe
- alexandernst 8y agoStreisand Effect
- throwawaymanbot 8y agoI was in the past 48hours browsing for one of their KB's and this overreaction on their behalf and the whole concept of "cloud" keyboards, has made me reflect and decide not to give them my dollars.
- nkristoffersen 8y agoI bought a Das keyboard for a friend. A year later with very little use, the keys stopped responding as expected and I was SOL with a shit product and no support from the company. I was disappointed since it was a pricey gift, but lesson learned.