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> Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. I don't feel a moral obligation not

by e12e 8y ago

> Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. I don't feel a moral obligation not to steal from Apple. I'm not sure I could steal (and use) an amount from them that would impact them at all. I mean even if I stole a classroom full of MacBook pro's in order to give free programming classes - it's not like it would affect Apple in any meaningful way. But I don't quite get why anyone would go out of their way to get hw they'll never be able to run legally licensed os on. For fun and learning, sure. Turn your linux/bsd box into a hackintosh by dual booting. But you can never do any work on it without risk. So what's the point? Sure you can "buy" a copy of os x - but you only get install media and a license to run on Apple hw.

hellisothers 8y ago
What does “never be able to run a legally licensed os” mean in this context? I am an iOS engineer and avid photographer: I work on a Hackintosh, I develop my photos on my Hackintosh. I’ve had 0 problems with this setup and it cost me 1/10th as much as a similarly specced Mac. And my “similar” I’m being generous to the Mac because my machine is faster
- bobwaycott 8y ago
  I’m guessing they’re referring to the fact that Apple’s EULA prohibits—or prohibited at one time, I believe it still does—running macOS on anything other than Apple hardware. Hence, a Hackintosh violates the EULA. Not saying it’s bad or not. I despise EULAs. I think that’s what the parent means, though.
  - deong 8y ago
    I don't think he's at all concerned about the license. He's just saying most people won't and shouldn't do "real work" on a machine that could break at any point with no possibility for support.
    - e12e 8y ago
      That too.
- e12e 8y ago
  https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOS1013.pdf https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOS1013.pdf > 2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. A. Preinstalled and Single-Copy Apple Software License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you obtained the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, through an automatic download or under a volume license, maintenance or other written agreement from Apple, you are granted a limited, non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at any one time. For example, these single-copy license terms apply to you if you obtained the Apple Software preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware. (...) > J. Other Use Restrictions. The grants set forth in this License do not permit you to, and you agree not to, install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so. (...) If you're not going to abide by the license, you're essentially running "pirated" software.
  - rwmj 8y ago
    So what? You've paid for the OS you can run it wherever you want.
    - isostatic 8y ago
      Depends on your jurisdiction's view of the legality of apple's terms of use
      - washadjeffmad 8y ago
        Not seriously, unless you believe Apple is going to start working with cops to kick in doors and inspect homess for non-Apple branded hardware for unsanctioned OS installs. Even if a judge agreed with Apple's EULA (unlikely, and unlikely to be tested), that's not really enforceable in any practical sense unless you're selling computers with MacOS preinstalled. Then it's a matter of commercial licensing and distribution which they do have an interest in protecting.
        isostatic 8y ago
PhasmaFelis 8y ago
> But you can never do any work on it without risk. What risk is that?
- e12e 8y ago
  Same as running any other not legally licensed software - a civil suit. And/or "sanctions" if the company who's license your violating has the power to, say, disable a cloud account, developer license etc.
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    This probably wouldn't bode well for them. It would provide negative pr and the majority of hackintosh users would be liable to move off the platform. These users would be paying them the say zero dollars right now either way but they would no longer be potential future customers. What would they gain by this?

by e12e 8y ago

hellisothers 8y ago

What does “never be able to run a legally licensed os” mean in this context? I am an iOS engineer and avid photographer: I work on a Hackintosh, I develop my photos on my Hackintosh. I’ve had 0 problems with this setup and it cost me 1/10th as much as a similarly specced Mac. And my “similar” I’m being generous to the Mac because my machine is faster

bobwaycott 8y ago
I’m guessing they’re referring to the fact that Apple’s EULA prohibits—or prohibited at one time, I believe it still does—running macOS on anything other than Apple hardware. Hence, a Hackintosh violates the EULA. Not saying it’s bad or not. I despise EULAs. I think that’s what the parent means, though.
- deong 8y ago
  I don't think he's at all concerned about the license. He's just saying most people won't and shouldn't do "real work" on a machine that could break at any point with no possibility for support.
  - e12e 8y ago
    That too.
e12e 8y ago
https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOS1013.pdf https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOS1013.pdf > 2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. A. Preinstalled and Single-Copy Apple Software License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you obtained the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, through an automatic download or under a volume license, maintenance or other written agreement from Apple, you are granted a limited, non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at any one time. For example, these single-copy license terms apply to you if you obtained the Apple Software preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware. (...) > J. Other Use Restrictions. The grants set forth in this License do not permit you to, and you agree not to, install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so. (...) If you're not going to abide by the license, you're essentially running "pirated" software.
- rwmj 8y ago
  So what? You've paid for the OS you can run it wherever you want.
  - isostatic 8y ago
    Depends on your jurisdiction's view of the legality of apple's terms of use
    - washadjeffmad 8y ago
      Not seriously, unless you believe Apple is going to start working with cops to kick in doors and inspect homess for non-Apple branded hardware for unsanctioned OS installs. Even if a judge agreed with Apple's EULA (unlikely, and unlikely to be tested), that's not really enforceable in any practical sense unless you're selling computers with MacOS preinstalled. Then it's a matter of commercial licensing and distribution which they do have an interest in protecting.
      - isostatic 8y ago

PhasmaFelis 8y ago

> But you can never do any work on it without risk. What risk is that?

e12e 8y ago
Same as running any other not legally licensed software - a civil suit. And/or "sanctions" if the company who's license your violating has the power to, say, disable a cloud account, developer license etc.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  This probably wouldn't bode well for them. It would provide negative pr and the majority of hackintosh users would be liable to move off the platform. These users would be paying them the say zero dollars right now either way but they would no longer be potential future customers. What would they gain by this?