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Note that the Telegraph backed Brexit.

• growlist 8y ago
  Ad hominem?
  • oblio 8y ago
    How is stating a possible bias an ad hominem? :)
    • growlist 8y ago
      Isn't that the very definition of ad hominem - drawing attention to the source of the material, rather than tackling the material itself? Paul Graham's def: 'attacks the characteristics or authority of the writer without addressing the substance of the argument' https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/how-to-disagree-well-7-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-argue https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/how-to-disagree-well-7-of-t...
  • beojan 8y ago
    No, the Telegraph has a known anti-EU bias.
    • growlist 8y ago
      And? Some people would say it's 'known' that CNN is fake news. That statement and yours are equal in nature - neither of them tell us anything useful about the content in question.
      • beojan 8y ago
        They're not equal. British newspapers on both sides have well known biases that they're pretty open about.
• addicted 8y ago
  Anyone suggesting this as a reason Greece would have been better off outside the EU is out of their mind. As poorly as the EU performed during the financial crisis, nearly every member of the EU was better off inside rather than outside. There is a reason Turkey is so keen to get into the EU even after the crisis. Also, while it’s correct the British media has been using the mistakes the EU made during the financial crisis (which were the same as the mistakes the British made, who self-imposed austerity and continue to do so), the reality is none of these actually apply to the UK which has its own currency and as a result has/had dramatically more financial freedom. The UK essentially had the best of the EU and had avoided the worst of it. It’s amazinf that they voluntarily gave up that deal.
  • StavrosK 8y ago
    > nearly every member of the EU was better off inside rather than outside Is this true of current-day Greece (and future Greece, since things are only getting worse)?
    • tonyedgecombe 8y ago
      The Greeks seem to think so. In fact if I was Greek I would want to stay in the Euro zone (but keep my money in a German bank).
      • AnaniasAnanas 8y ago
        Remember this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015 A "no" vote was seen as a "leave from the Euro zone" vote by the average citizen. It was the Greek government that ignored the referendum, not the Greeks.
        • tonyedgecombe 8y ago
          A "no" vote was seen as a "leave from the Euro zone" That wasn't what was on the ballot paper.