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Reading through the list of improvements leaves me quite underwhelmed. I thought the Oreo upgrade was basically useless, but this is literally a service pack st

Reading through the list of improvements leaves me quite underwhelmed. I thought the Oreo upgrade was basically useless, but this is literally a service pack style update. Also amusing to see "battery improvements" in every release without anything to show for it.

TeMPOraL 8y ago
> Also amusing to see "battery improvements" in every release without anything to show for it. Whatever improvements are made are most likely quickly eaten by the cruft accumulating both in the system and in applications. The latter update frequently, which means you have a steady stream of bloat coming in...
- dingo_bat 8y ago
  This is the first time I am considering an iphone as my next phone. But the lack of headphone jack makes it really hard.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    Think of this experience next time someone tries to convince you that customers in this market get to "vote with their wallets".
    - MBCook 8y ago
      They do. Customers voted overwhelmingly ‘we don’t care’ so the headphone jack didn’t return.
      - TeMPOraL 8y ago
        Did they? Or did they just express they care more about staying in Apple ecosystem than the headphone jack? This is my point: there isn't really a way to express a preference for something minor. Smartphone market is mostly "take it or leave it".
        selectodude 8y ago
        They throw a dongle in the box. Just keep it hooked up to your headphones and now they're fancy Lightning buds. No big deal.
        maaark 8y ago
        Nah, they're stopping that now.
        dingo_bat 8y ago
        Who knew individual customers have almost zero leverage on a trillion dollar company? I'm fed up of all the anti-consumer bullshit from Apple lately. It encourages the same behavior in others too.
        MBCook 8y ago
        That WAS the vote. They didn’t care enough to leave Apple over it in sufficient numbers for Apple to change position.
  - Frondo 8y ago
    I switched to an iphone a few months ago. Lack of a headphone jack bothered me for about a day. I got used to it very quickly, and now much much prefer the iphone to my old Android device.
    - kuschku 8y ago
      I use my android phone frequently on the go, keep it in my purse connected to the powerbank to recharge, and have headphones plugged in to listen to music (e.g. when cycling the whole day, or when I’m in trains). Without a separate headphone jack, that’s pretty inconvenient. Especially as my headphones are all expensive 3.5mm jack Sennheiser headphones, and I need to use them with my phone, laptop and desktop.
piyush_soni 8y ago
Exactly my thoughts. There is nothing exciting at all in this update. Just the usual 'more battery saving by doing less', and as you said, for some reason, every update keeps on making my phone slower and more battery consuming, if anything.
owenwil 8y ago
This actually increased my Pixel 2's battery life from 1.5 days to a solid 2. Did you actually try it?

TeMPOraL 8y ago

> Also amusing to see "battery improvements" in every release without anything to show for it. Whatever improvements are made are most likely quickly eaten by the cruft accumulating both in the system and in applications. The latter update frequently, which means you have a steady stream of bloat coming in...

dingo_bat 8y ago
This is the first time I am considering an iphone as my next phone. But the lack of headphone jack makes it really hard.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  Think of this experience next time someone tries to convince you that customers in this market get to "vote with their wallets".
  - MBCook 8y ago
    They do. Customers voted overwhelmingly ‘we don’t care’ so the headphone jack didn’t return.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      Did they? Or did they just express they care more about staying in Apple ecosystem than the headphone jack? This is my point: there isn't really a way to express a preference for something minor. Smartphone market is mostly "take it or leave it".
      - selectodude 8y ago
        They throw a dongle in the box. Just keep it hooked up to your headphones and now they're fancy Lightning buds. No big deal.
        maaark 8y ago
        Nah, they're stopping that now.
      - dingo_bat 8y ago
        Who knew individual customers have almost zero leverage on a trillion dollar company? I'm fed up of all the anti-consumer bullshit from Apple lately. It encourages the same behavior in others too.
      - MBCook 8y ago
        That WAS the vote. They didn’t care enough to leave Apple over it in sufficient numbers for Apple to change position.
- Frondo 8y ago
  I switched to an iphone a few months ago. Lack of a headphone jack bothered me for about a day. I got used to it very quickly, and now much much prefer the iphone to my old Android device.
  - kuschku 8y ago
    I use my android phone frequently on the go, keep it in my purse connected to the powerbank to recharge, and have headphones plugged in to listen to music (e.g. when cycling the whole day, or when I’m in trains). Without a separate headphone jack, that’s pretty inconvenient. Especially as my headphones are all expensive 3.5mm jack Sennheiser headphones, and I need to use them with my phone, laptop and desktop.

piyush_soni 8y ago

Exactly my thoughts. There is nothing exciting at all in this update. Just the usual 'more battery saving by doing less', and as you said, for some reason, every update keeps on making my phone slower and more battery consuming, if anything.

owenwil 8y ago

This actually increased my Pixel 2's battery life from 1.5 days to a solid 2. Did you actually try it?