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Ask HN: Tools of the trade, 2010 edition
When I first started delicious, we had to host most of the services ourselves. CVS, mail, mailing lists, etc etc etc.
These days, lots of that stuff is available as SaaS. What are the tools and services people use instead of hosting their own?
(I'm not talking about actual production services like EC2 and Heroku and whatnot. We can go over this in another thread.)
- dieselz 16y agoSendGrid - sends emails with high deliverability http://sendgrid.com/ http://sendgrid.com/ Braintree Payment Systems - charges credit cards http://www.braintreepaymentsolutions.com/ http://www.braintreepaymentsolutions.com/ Server Density - monitors our servers from the inside http://www.serverdensity.com/ http://www.serverdensity.com/
- mgrouchy 16y agoChargify ( http://chargify.com http://chargify.com ) -> recurring payments. Campaign monitor (http://campaignmonitor.com http://campaignmonitor.com )-> email campaigns. Github (http://github.com http://github.com ) -> vcs. Lighthouse ( http://lighthouseapp.com http://lighthouseapp.com ) -> bug tracking. Tender ( http://tenderapp.com http://tenderapp.com ) -> customer support.
- dh 16y agoThanks for including Chargify
- Regalla 16y agonice
- frisco 16y agoEdit: now that I think about it, this is a perfect use-case for Quora: http://www.quora.com/What-SaaS-products-are-on-the-startups-toolchain-in-2010 http://www.quora.com/What-SaaS-products-are-on-the-startups-...
- dotBen 16y agoWhat do people think of this - it feels like this is sort of siphoning off legitimate conversation for HN to a somewhat-rival community. (I'm sure many of us use both Quora and HN, but there is definitely overlap like this)
- issaco 16y agoQuora - no external hyperlinks - HN wins.
- robryan 16y agoHacker News is bad at a persistent conversation of this type though, it will drop off the front page in a day and no one will add to it further. Something like this benefits from longer conversation though as it is a day to day and ever changing discussion.
- mechanical_fish 16y agoSo we'll do it again next year. It works for every other topic. If the problem with a point-in-time conversation of this kind is that it goes stale, the problem with wiki-style "persistent conversations" is that they also go stale, only piecemeal, like Swiss cheese. You visit the wiki and have no idea which bits are new, and which are old, and whether or not two things that happen to be next to each other were written in the same year or with any reference to each other. If the wiki were periodically edited, in toto, by someone who cared, this problem could be avoided. But most are not. People are happy to have the same conversations again, only different. Conversing on HN is not drudgery to be automated away. We like rituals. We like the classics. And new people like going through the classic exercises that their predecessors did.
- ktsmith 16y agoThere's also a number of HN people that wouldn't be able to participate due to not having Facebook or Twitter accounts and thus being unable to have a Quora account.
- ekidd 16y agoPivotal Tracker ( http://www.pivotaltracker.com/ http://www.pivotaltracker.com/ ) -> Tracking feature backlog, release planning.
- santry 16y agoAm I the only one who finds Pivotal Tracker's UX horrible to the point of being unusable? I worked with a team that insisted on Pivotal Tracker and aside from its crashing my Fluid SSB every half hour or so, the text areas were way to small to type in comfortably. I found myself having to write the story in a text editor then pasting it in to PT. With that columnar layout, it just seemed like everything was cramped into spaces that were just way too small. Plus it doesn't track the history of a story. If it was assigned to Joe, then Larry, then Tom, there's no history of that chain of ownership.
- davewasthere 16y agoAre we using the same Pivotal Tracker? :-) I love the UI. It's got just what you need for an agile project - similar to 37signals design philosophy of less is less. History is most definitely tracked - and is incredibly granular. Click on any story, then the View History button. Every change is recorded there. Why fluid crashes? Well - I doubt it's Pivotal's fault as such. I've used Chrome, Firefox, Opera on it without issue. Clients use IE and apart from when they were using IE6 (support wasn't brilliant - but then again that browser is the bane of my life) they seem to get along with Pivotal just fine. So it might possibly be just you. I definitely prefer pivotal to JIRA - but you may get better mileage?
- tptacek 16y agoGithub. Mailchimp.
- joshu 16y agoI'll roll up all the answers into a spreadsheet or table soon.
- frisco 16y agoNot into Quora? As several people answer it opens up a community-editable answer summary to bring them all together.
- joshu 16y agoShrug. Harder to organize. Maybe when it's done?
- dotBen 16y agoIsn't Quora more about asking a specific question with a more specific obtainable answer? Ie the open question here is "what tools are people using?" where as on Quora it would have to be "what are the best tools to use"... not sure they're exactly the same.
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- joshu 16y agoOther threads I want to do: - web-includable services that integrate into a web page - production services (aws heroku etc.)
- babeKnuth 16y agodo 'em
- dotBen 16y agoupvoted, definitely would like to see this. I think it would be interesting to go one further and (if it's appropriate for HN) to have one thread per vertical with discussion on different vendors and solution providers. An example would be email campaign management providers come to mind (Mail Chimp vs Aweber vs Constant Contact vs others). I'm not really interested in a blog post from a single person but what the HN crowd think having used these tools in anger out there.
- SkyMarshal 16y agoWould love to see the HN hive mind take on both, fire away.
- rwhitman 16y agoI'm really into Postmark as an SMTP replacement for transactional emails - http://www.postmarkapp.com http://www.postmarkapp.com And MailChimp for mailing lists.
- callmeed 16y agoI've used GitHub and Unfuddle for source code. Both are great. SendGrid for email delivery from my apps. Google Apps for email on our domains. S3 to host images/videos (we deal with a lot of them). I've tried just about every mailing list service there is. I haven't "fell in love" with any of them but MailChimp and Campaign Monitor are my favorites. Of course, there are now several recurring billing services. I've tried a few and have mixed feelings. Real slow response on support requests from a couple–which IMO is bad for a company that touches your money. For customer support tickets, we had a home-built rails app but are currently transitioning to ZenDesk. Tender Support is another option.
- endtime 16y agoGoogle Apps is the big one for us - especially mail and calendars. I run Redmine off Ubuntu Server inside VirtualBox...can't think of anything else we might be using. It is tempting to switch to Chargify but we're still on Auth.net for the time being.
- japherwocky 16y agoWhy do you run redmine in VirtualBox? Isn't it ruby?
- endtime 16y agoWhat does it being ruby have to do with anything? I run it in VB because I don't have a spare machine for it. My desktop runs Windows 7, with a CentOS VM for dev work and a Ubuntu Server BM for gitosis and Redmine.
- jblomo 16y agoI've had good experience with DNSMadeEasy.com. We actually kept DNS/bind configs in version control and used XFR to let DNSMadeEasy slurp them up. Jim
- joshu 16y agoI'm summarizing things here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tmxXdwODQTCsdQzatHS6Drw http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tmxXdwODQTCsdQzatHS6D...
- joshu 16y agoAs of 8:15pm PST I've updated the spreadsheet.
- gleb 16y agoAcunote ( http://www.acunote.com http://www.acunote.com ) - project management, wiki, issue tracking, scrum software Tarsnap ( http://www.tarsnap.com http://www.tarsnap.com ) - offsite backup DnsMadeEasy ( http://www.dnsmadeeasy.com http://www.dnsmadeeasy.com ) - DNS TrustCommerce ( http://www.trustcommerce.com http://www.trustcommerce.com ) - CC gateway Google Apps ( http://www.google.com/apps http://www.google.com/apps ) - email AuthorityLabs ( http://authoritylabs.com http://authoritylabs.com ) - SEO rank monitoring GitHub ( http://github.com http://github.com ) - OSS projects vss
- shadytrees 16y agoSeconding Tarsnap. Can't recommend it enough.
- redcap 16y agoCan you comment on your ability to successfully restore from backup? I know of organisations that diligently back up their data, but fail to regularly check that they can restore from backups.
- wwortiz 16y agoI've restored a couple times and done some tests, the transfer speed seemed a little slow but I don't know if it was on tarsnaps end or mine. The server that I've done and tested restores for is only about 1.5 gb of information/configs.
- tlack 16y agoThe one time I had a huge failure and needed to restore I found Tarsnap amazingly slow. Between that and the overly complicated pricing I'm going to consider something else going forward.
- mieses 16y agoTarsnap costs 2-3x more than Amazon S3, and S3 is already several times more expensive than it should be. What is the advantage of Tarsnap over S3 and one of its many clients?
- jasonlbaptiste 16y agoJosh, check out Cloudomatic.com . We catalog most of the SaaS apps there. Not organized by what companies are using, but should give you a good idea of all the tools out there (way more than you think).
- joshu 16y agoI kinda want to limit it to stuff in wide usage.
- megamark16 16y agoNot to mention that it's nice to see what everyone within the HN network are using. I respect you guys and what you use and why.
- mpakes 16y agoCloudKick ( http://cloudkick.com http://cloudkick.com ) - Configurable server monitoring with SMS alerts. Love this service. CoTweet ( http://cotweet.com http://cotweet.com ) - Shared Twitter account management. Great for support and guerrilla marketing. Uservoice ( http://uservoice.com http://uservoice.com ) - User feedback and support management. Dropbox ( http://dropbox.com http://dropbox.com ) - File sharing - we share the business dropbox with our individual dropboxes to share files. Droplr ( http://droplr.com http://droplr.com ) - Screenshot capture and sharing. Also allows for file sharing. As mentioned by others: GitHub ( http://github.com http://github.com ) - VCS Google Apps ( http://www.google.com/a http://www.google.com/a ) - Email and documents. Pivotal Tracker ( http://www.pivotaltracker.com http://www.pivotaltracker.com ) - Project management and issue tracking. Wordpress ( http://wordpress.com http://wordpress.com ) - Blog. These are very specific to Rails, but extremely useful: New Relic RPM ( http://newrelic.com http://newrelic.com ) - Deeply integrated Ruby on Rails app monitoring and performance measurement. Immensely helpful for troubleshooting and analysis, including slow query detection/explanation, etc. Hoptoad ( http://www.hoptoadapp.com http://www.hoptoadapp.com ) - Rails exception monitoring and alerting.
- sfrancis 16y agoLogicMonitor (http://www.LogicMonitor.com http://www.LogicMonitor.com) - SaaS based, covers everything (servers, databases, storage, routers, apps, etc)
- cvg 16y agobitbucket (http://bitbucket.org http://bitbucket.org) - mercurial vss, similar to github
- sandGorgon 16y agowith unlimited public AND private repositories.
- torial 16y agoI've had good experiences with http://www.bugnotes.com/home.php http://www.bugnotes.com/home.php for bug tracking. Also provides exports of all data in an SQLite DB or in CSV format if desired.
- guelo 16y agoI've been liking http://www.freshbooks.com/ http://www.freshbooks.com/ for invoices.
- webgambit 16y ago+1 for freshbooks. Met some of the team a little over a year ago. Great group of folks.
- presto8 16y agoFor backup, I've been quite pleased with CrashPlan.
- scharan 16y agoEvernote (https://www.evernote.com/ https://www.evernote.com/) Notes service. Clients available for Mac, Windows, iPad etc.
- SudarshanP 16y agohttp://www.trada.com/ http://www.trada.com/ Crowdsourced SEM
- aymeric 16y agoI tried it but it wasn't self-serve. Someone had to contact me and ask me a few questions. I didn't like that. Is it still like that? Do you have a minimum budget to spend?
- pacemkr 16y agoSendGrid - transactional and mass email PivotalTracker - daily todo FogBugz - customer support via email
- gubatron 16y agomacosx | ubuntu emacs, eclipse version control tool of your choice (mercurial | git | svn) python, bash, java. a brain.
- bl4k 16y agoJIRA Studio - http://www.atlassian.com/hosted/studio/ http://www.atlassian.com/hosted/studio/ BitBucket - http://bitbucket.org/ http://bitbucket.org/ Salesforce - http://salesforce.com/ http://salesforce.com/ Gapps - http://apps.google.com/ http://apps.google.com/ ZenDesk - http://zendesk.com/ http://zendesk.com/ EasyDNS - http://easydns.com http://easydns.com most of these aren't cheap, but through a process of trial and error I found out that they are the best.
- RK 16y agoI'm a grad student right now, so I'm using tools for a different purpose, but thought I'd list them anyway: Dropbox - backup and sharing with research group and collaborators Mendeley - cloud based article and citation management (great for bibtex) Google Code with Mercurial - OSS projects that are tied into my research EC2 - large scale, distributed simulations (data stored on S3) Remember The Milk - trying to manage my tasks
- there 16y agoi still seem to want to host everything myself (email, dns, backups, etc). old habits die hard. the only saas i use is Corduroy (http://corduroysite.com/ http://corduroysite.com/) for invoicing, writing checks, downloading bank transactions, and receiving payments. but i wrote and host that too.
- sharjeel 16y agoDelicious (http://www.delicious.com/ http://www.delicious.com/) - keeping track of important bookmarks and sharing with colleagues :-) PS: This post is going to my delicious account
- iuguy 16y agoWe use: Salesforce for CRM Google Apps for Mail, Chat, non-sensitive Doc sharing Mailchimp for Mailshots Gradwell for VoIP Github for source control
- billpaetzke 16y agoLeads360 -------- StrongMail - email server & deliverability FogBugz - bug tracking ScrewTurn Wiki - (free) internal wiki for dev team (we're a .NET shop; YMMV) ZenDesk - support help info/knowledge base RightNow - support ticketing and chat Google Analytics - for broad technical analysis of our users Leads360 - we (well, our sales ppl) use our own product for CRM/lead management
- sl_ 16y agohttp://circonus.com/ http://circonus.com/ - SaaS Nagios and Ganglia replacement
- jasondavies 16y agoRecurly for recurring billing (http://recurly.com/ http://recurly.com/) (they just added support for VAT, ideal for us in the UK, and they support SagePay UK as a payment gateway as well as PayPal) Unfuddle (http://unfuddle.com/ http://unfuddle.com/) and github (http://github.com/ http://github.com/) for bug tracking. JungleDisk (http://www.jungledisk.com/ http://www.jungledisk.com/) for off-site backup. Uses your S3 account to store encrypted backups. Server Density (http://www.serverdensity.com/ http://www.serverdensity.com/) for monitoring UserVoice (http://uservoice.com/ http://uservoice.com/) for customer feedback
- lfittl 16y agoThere is a ton of good & well-sorted stuff at http://startuptools.pbworks.com/ http://startuptools.pbworks.com/ Collected by a couple of UK startups (Songkick, Huddle, etc.)
- PMHacker 16y agoTaskPoint http://www.taskpoint.com http://www.taskpoint.com issue tracking, project management and team collaboration
- mcdowall 16y agoGoogle Chrome - (Bookmark Syncing across Home & Work) Google Apps - Email, Video Chat & Calender Market Samurai - SEO Google Analytics - SEO Chargify - Payments Geckoboard - Live Dashboard Basecamp - Project Management (Mainly to-do's) Dropbox - File Backup Mailchimp - Email (Cant recommend them enough) Xero - Accounts Zopim - Customer Service / Lead Capture Load Impact - Website Stress Testing
- adw 16y agoAt Timetric: Amazon AWS (EC2, S3, Cloudfront) (plus a little bit of Google App Engine) GitHub (source control) Pivotal Tracker (dev team backlog) Highrise (biz dev tracking) Mailchimp (mailing lists) Moo (printable stuff - largely business cards) Dropbox (shared folders) Google Apps (email, docs) Google Analytics (analytics) Xero (accounting) Stuff we do internally which we could probably outsource somehow, but it doesn't make sense: Roundup (bug tracking), Jabber, munin.
- swah 16y agoStill in Emacs, waiting for something better to show up.
- bnmrrs 16y agoSourceRepo - Git hosting EC2/S3 Google apps - Email, Calendar, Docs, GTalk Yammer - Not seriously used Pivotal Tracker - Managing stories SalesForce - CRM
- jeffepp 16y agoAt zferral.com: Mailchimp (http://mailchimp.com http://mailchimp.com) = email marketing BatchBook (http://BatchBook.com http://BatchBook.com) = CRM Dropbox (http://dropbox.com http://dropbox.com) = File Sharing Google Apps = Webmail Chargify (http://chargify.com http://chargify.com) = Recurring Billing Zendesk (http://zendesk.com http://zendesk.com) = Support SnapEngage (http://snapabug.com http://snapabug.com) = Proactive Chat StatsMix (http://statsmix.com http://statsmix.com) = Analytics zferral (http://zferral.com http://zferral.com) = Affiliate and referral mgt ^^own product
- nkassis 16y agoMy list is very similar to everyone but: Linode(http://www.linode.com http://www.linode.com) dns, hosting. I find them cheaper and easier than EC2 Dropbox (http://www.dropbox.com http://www.dropbox.com) Shared folders Google Apps (http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/index.html http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/index.html) Easy way to get email calendar docs ... GitHub (http://github.com http://github.com)
- yycom 16y agoWhat do teams use for single-sign-on or password management with so many hosted services?
- darklajid 16y agoGitorious (http://www.gitorious.org http://www.gitorious.org) Seems like everyone's on Github here, but we host it ourselves (no open source activity, unfortunately.. =() Redmine (http://www.redmine.org http://www.redmine.org) For tickets, development plans. Tied into git. OSQA (http://www.osqa.net/ http://www.osqa.net/) In evaluation for now: Internal "knowledgebase" stackoverflow clone for product related things Hudson (http://www.hudson-ci.org http://www.hudson-ci.org) Continuous integration (although I'm just now trying to get this behemoth to start using it..)
- dolinsky 16y agoI've seen a few recommendations for Mailchimp, and I'm wondering if anyone else has used Sailthru ( http://www.sailthru.com http://www.sailthru.com ). We've been using them at zootoo.com for well over 2 years, both for transactional emails and campaigns, and have been extremely happy. They're also way ahead of Mailchimp and other email SaaS providers with their Horizon customer tracking tool that enables customized newsletters based on the individuals browsing habits (Horizon is in beta right now but has been written about in the press). Full disclosure - I know the owners personally and have worked with them in the past, but that doesn't take away from how awesome the product is.
- benologist 16y agoAt Playtomic: - mongohq.com for some MongoDB databases, gradually shifting some bits and pieces over to that - Google Apps for email - Google Analytics for the website - Amazon S3 for file storage - tadalist.com for stuff I should be doing now - dnspark.net for my DNS stuff, I have enough servers to do this myself pretty robustly but @ 200m hits a day and growing I'd much rather pay $13 a year and use them.
- wordx 16y agoSauce Labs ( http://saucelabs.com http://saucelabs.com ) - automated functional testing with Selenium
- aeden 16y agoChargify ( http://chargify.com/ http://chargify.com/ ) - recurring billing DNSimple ( http://dnsimple.com/ http://dnsimple.com/ ) - domain and dns management GitHub ( http://github.com/ http://github.com/ ) - source code DropBox ( http://dropbox.com/ http://dropbox.com/ ) - file sharing PivotalTracker ( http://pivotaltracker.com http://pivotaltracker.com ) - feature/issue tracking SendGrid ( http://sendgrid.com http://sendgrid.com ) - outbound app email GetSatisfaction ( http://getsatisfaction.com/ http://getsatisfaction.com/ ) - for community support Google Apps for mail and docs Google Analytics for web site analytics MixPanel ( http://mixpanel.com/ http://mixpanel.com/ ) for deeper application analytics Harvest ( http://harvestapp.com/ http://harvestapp.com/ ) for time tracking and billing Pingdom ( http://pingdom.com/ http://pingdom.com/ ) for monitoring
- gtani 16y agocompare/contrast: 1.3 years ago http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=656147 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=656147
- dh 16y agoWhat a great question, I was looking for this data for a presentation at gave at FOWA 2010 last week. See slide 30 http://www.slideshare.net/davidhauser/fowa-2010 http://www.slideshare.net/davidhauser/fowa-2010
- nl 16y agoI guess I use the standard toolset most people here use, with one thing no one else has mentioned. I have a cheap ($100/year) Dreamhost account, which has unlimited domains, and unlimited mysql databases. I use the websites for experiments and my blog etc, but the good thing is that it comes with unlimited subversion hosting, trac, and jabber accounts. (I hesitate to mention this here, because it's a bit of a pyramid scheme in that you can give $90 discounts to your friends and then get an affiliate cut, but even that is actually pretty good (they end up with $10 subversion). Email me for a code if you are interested.)