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Fast for how long ? Few days a week ?

atrexler 8y ago
I've no idea about the fasting stuff. Just thought its important to make clear this particular study is all about doing stuff to cells or lumps of cells in dishes (again sorry if I missed more involved model system in the paper). Whether thats a good model for cancer in people and how fasting interacts with that I honestly have no idea.
aviv 8y ago
Prolonged water fasting of 14 to 40 days or dry fasting (no water, no food) for 4 to 10 days will rid your body of many "diseases" the modern medical world wants you to believe are either incurable or only treatable by whatever patented treatment they can sell you. Fasting is the enemy of Big Pharma and anyone else profiting monetarily in the modern medicine money machine, including doctors who will do all they can before they admit a simple fast fixes stuff they spent 10 years in school studying. Preventing fasting from entering the mainstream is criminal, but more and more people are slowly becoming aware and seeing the results.
- menacingly 8y ago
  You may be correct in this instance, but I've come to be just as suspicious of folks claiming their healing approach is held back by big pharma as I am of big pharma itself
  - aviv 8y ago
    As you should be, so do your own research, hopefully before a disease shows up and the forces around you (doctors, friends, family) push you towards mainstream treatment options that at best will put you on a lifelong symptom prevention regime instead of actually fixing the underlying cause of whatever "disease" they say you have. Modern medicine invented thousands of names diseases, when all it is is your body becoming acidic and manifesting this terrible state in any sensitive part of your body, hence the naming of diseases begins. It's like cancer. There are no a hundred different types of cancer. That's marketing. Just like 10 types of Macbooks.
    - etatoby 8y ago
      Unfortunately the app I'm using to browse HN does not provide a Vote down button. Are you serious? Do you seriously believe that in an organism as complex as us, all the infinite ways it can fail boil down to a single catchphrase? Do you even know what the scientific method is?
      - aviv 8y ago
        Why is that unfortunate? What would clicking a downvote button achieve? I appreciate that instead you are taking the time to make a comment. To your point, life (and by extension, us humans) is simpler than you think, and far simpler than "modern medicine" wants you to think it is. I am confident that in your lifetime, though, you will one day look back and say; "Oh yeah that dude from HN mentioned this a few years ago". And I do not base this solely on my own experiences. I have been around fasting as a healing mechanism for much of my adult life and have seen many many lives transformed and saved as a result. Don't take my word for it. Let this be a spark that takes you on your own journey to discover how insane it is that fasting is being kept hidden from the general public.
        louthy 8y ago
        > I have been around fasting as a healing mechanism for much of my adult life and have seen many many lives transformed and saved as a result. So, you must have some empirical evidence to share? Otherwise this is just hearsay. > Don't take my word for it. Let this be a spark that takes you on your own journey to discover how insane it is that fasting is being kept hidden from the general public. Come on. Fasting hasn't been hidden from anybody, that's conspiracy theory nonsense. It's a part of major world religions for goodness sake. I do believe that fasting has potentially powerful health benefits, I have myself done multi day fasts, but I think you might need to tone down the rhetoric or provide some compelling evidence to back-up what, on the surface, appear to be very wild claims.
- louthy 8y ago
  Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?
- crazygringo 8y ago
  Sources? Citations? Why is "diseases" in quotes? I'd love to believe you, but you're providing absolutely zero reason to, and throwing conspiracy on top of it makes it even harder.
- tunap 8y ago
  I'm a big fan of fasting, and do so every few months, but won't 4-10 days without water kill anyone in an exceptionally uncomfortable way? I live in a desert, often drinking up to 2 litres a day. Anything less and I experience dehydration & migraines. Edit: Up to 4 litres a day, approaching 1 gallon.
  - aviv 8y ago
    No. I live in the desert too (Arizona), and do two 8-day dry fasts every year and I'm still around, healthy as ever. Oh, and needing to drink any large amount of water is bad for you and a sign of your body not getting the right food. I go weeks without drinking water. But that's no surprise, my diet is 100% fruits and vegetables for the last 8 years. When your diet is nourishing there is no need for water. An alternative to water/dry fasting is organic grape fast, where you drink grape juice and/or eat grapes for 2-3 months.
- cristianpascu 8y ago
  One of most miserable type of mixed discourse. So many people a tricked into believing this because 1) they have empathy for sick people, relatives and friends. 2) it sounds reasonable that big companies are only after profits at any cost. When in fact it's one unjustified statement that pretends to support another unjustified statement, with no direct connection between them. Example: Cancer (what type?) has a cure (What's the evidence for this?), BUT, and here's the misleading justification, BigPharma doesn't want you to know about it (What's the evidence for this?). I can't even imagine how many people would have to be paid or killed to keep such a cure secret.

I've no idea about the fasting stuff. Just thought its important to make clear this particular study is all about doing stuff to cells or lumps of cells in dishes (again sorry if I missed more involved model system in the paper). Whether thats a good model for cancer in people and how fasting interacts with that I honestly have no idea.

aviv 8y ago

Prolonged water fasting of 14 to 40 days or dry fasting (no water, no food) for 4 to 10 days will rid your body of many "diseases" the modern medical world wants you to believe are either incurable or only treatable by whatever patented treatment they can sell you. Fasting is the enemy of Big Pharma and anyone else profiting monetarily in the modern medicine money machine, including doctors who will do all they can before they admit a simple fast fixes stuff they spent 10 years in school studying. Preventing fasting from entering the mainstream is criminal, but more and more people are slowly becoming aware and seeing the results.

menacingly 8y ago
You may be correct in this instance, but I've come to be just as suspicious of folks claiming their healing approach is held back by big pharma as I am of big pharma itself
- aviv 8y ago
  As you should be, so do your own research, hopefully before a disease shows up and the forces around you (doctors, friends, family) push you towards mainstream treatment options that at best will put you on a lifelong symptom prevention regime instead of actually fixing the underlying cause of whatever "disease" they say you have. Modern medicine invented thousands of names diseases, when all it is is your body becoming acidic and manifesting this terrible state in any sensitive part of your body, hence the naming of diseases begins. It's like cancer. There are no a hundred different types of cancer. That's marketing. Just like 10 types of Macbooks.
  - etatoby 8y ago
    Unfortunately the app I'm using to browse HN does not provide a Vote down button. Are you serious? Do you seriously believe that in an organism as complex as us, all the infinite ways it can fail boil down to a single catchphrase? Do you even know what the scientific method is?
    - aviv 8y ago
      Why is that unfortunate? What would clicking a downvote button achieve? I appreciate that instead you are taking the time to make a comment. To your point, life (and by extension, us humans) is simpler than you think, and far simpler than "modern medicine" wants you to think it is. I am confident that in your lifetime, though, you will one day look back and say; "Oh yeah that dude from HN mentioned this a few years ago". And I do not base this solely on my own experiences. I have been around fasting as a healing mechanism for much of my adult life and have seen many many lives transformed and saved as a result. Don't take my word for it. Let this be a spark that takes you on your own journey to discover how insane it is that fasting is being kept hidden from the general public.
      - louthy 8y ago
        > I have been around fasting as a healing mechanism for much of my adult life and have seen many many lives transformed and saved as a result. So, you must have some empirical evidence to share? Otherwise this is just hearsay. > Don't take my word for it. Let this be a spark that takes you on your own journey to discover how insane it is that fasting is being kept hidden from the general public. Come on. Fasting hasn't been hidden from anybody, that's conspiracy theory nonsense. It's a part of major world religions for goodness sake. I do believe that fasting has potentially powerful health benefits, I have myself done multi day fasts, but I think you might need to tone down the rhetoric or provide some compelling evidence to back-up what, on the surface, appear to be very wild claims.
louthy 8y ago
Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?
crazygringo 8y ago
Sources? Citations? Why is "diseases" in quotes? I'd love to believe you, but you're providing absolutely zero reason to, and throwing conspiracy on top of it makes it even harder.
tunap 8y ago
I'm a big fan of fasting, and do so every few months, but won't 4-10 days without water kill anyone in an exceptionally uncomfortable way? I live in a desert, often drinking up to 2 litres a day. Anything less and I experience dehydration & migraines. Edit: Up to 4 litres a day, approaching 1 gallon.
- aviv 8y ago
  No. I live in the desert too (Arizona), and do two 8-day dry fasts every year and I'm still around, healthy as ever. Oh, and needing to drink any large amount of water is bad for you and a sign of your body not getting the right food. I go weeks without drinking water. But that's no surprise, my diet is 100% fruits and vegetables for the last 8 years. When your diet is nourishing there is no need for water. An alternative to water/dry fasting is organic grape fast, where you drink grape juice and/or eat grapes for 2-3 months.
cristianpascu 8y ago
One of most miserable type of mixed discourse. So many people a tricked into believing this because 1) they have empathy for sick people, relatives and friends. 2) it sounds reasonable that big companies are only after profits at any cost. When in fact it's one unjustified statement that pretends to support another unjustified statement, with no direct connection between them. Example: Cancer (what type?) has a cure (What's the evidence for this?), BUT, and here's the misleading justification, BigPharma doesn't want you to know about it (What's the evidence for this?). I can't even imagine how many people would have to be paid or killed to keep such a cure secret.