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If you look into the story of American Superconductor, Sanyo Shinkansen, Apple's self driving car project and now, GE..it's all similar. It's their culture, th
by neya 8y ago
If you look into the story of American Superconductor, Sanyo Shinkansen, Apple's self driving car project and now, GE..it's all similar.
It's their culture, they don't believe in attribution nor fair trade, they're used to growing up in a red ocean. That's the way they are.
I work with Chinese companies on a regular basis, I never give them access to my repos, always uglify my JS code, and ensure strict rate limits for anything other than my office's IP address and carefully monitor access logs from their IPs and always implement kill switches in my software. I know what I'm doing isn't going to stop them if they wanted to, but for most part, it keeps them at bay.
Just watch out if you work in an industry where your IP is everything.
- baxtr 8y agoRemember a German car manufacturer ripping a Tesla into parts? https://jalopnik.com/mercedes-parent-company-daimler-dismantled-a-rented-tes-1820961392 https://jalopnik.com/mercedes-parent-company-daimler-dismant...
- andromeduck 8y agoSo what? Reverse engineering and competitive analysis is common practice and entirely above board.
- baxtr 8y agoI just think “culture” is a strong word to be used in that situation. I guess I believe it’s human to act like that and it depends on your competitive situation how you view the rightfulness of it
- askaboutit 8y agoExactly. Reverse engineering to better understand how to design and manufacture a competing product with very different mechanics is ok. But there are cars in china that are one for one copies of major brands. They’re everywhere.
- yourapostasy 8y agoThere are many software product licenses forbidding reverse engineering, and I'm seeing more user-hostile reverse engineering efforts in products in general, both in design, implementation, and legal realms. Unless reverse engineering is encoded into protected status in law, it will be extinguished through commercial avenues.
- imglorp 8y agoThere's a large step between buying a product and reverse engineering it and getting hired at a company in order to exfiltrate its internal files. One of those is called industrial espionage.
- grezql 8y agoThe Wind Turbine Case The Oreo White Case The Motorola Case The Iowa Seed Corn Case The Tappy the Robo Case The CLIFBAW Case The Allen Ho TVA/Nuclear Power Case The File Storage and China National Health Case The Unit 61398 Case The Great Firewall Case http://www.prosperousamerica.org/top_ten_cases_of_chinese_ip_theft http://www.prosperousamerica.org/top_ten_cases_of_chinese_ip...
- wallace_f 8y agoI guess its already implied, but that title should really be "theft from American companies," ie highspeed rail IP theft from German and Japanese companies would otherwise make this list.
- ta1672 8y agoI'm curious (and fearful) as a naturalized US citizen of former Chinese nationality--is your sort of paranoia and general attribution of this to culture common? The man arrested was a US citizen (and would have had to give up Chinese citizenship to become one) but would have obviously looked Chinese. If you had to work with me, would you actively try to obfuscate your work because you believe at a cultural level that I'm keen to steal?
- neya 8y ago> I work with Chinese companies on a regular basis, > I never give THEM access... I've clearly explained my stance with Chinese companies. Ie. Companies from China. I've never mentioned anything at a personal level in my original comment. That's your mis-interpretation. Sorry.
- wimpelbone 8y agoRe-read your comment. You said nasty things about Chinese companies because a US citizen stole IP from GE. And then you wonder why a Chinese-born US would be wary of working with you.
- neya 8y agoI said those because, a US citizen stole IP from GE, but sent it back to Chinese companies. Hence, I clearly mentioned why I don't trust Chinese companies, whereas the misinterpretation here is automatically the assumption that I have a problem with Chinese as a race, which isn't true.
- seanmcdirmid 8y agoIs there really a connection though? Some of the most critical people about China proper are it’s first and second generation emigrants. Just look at people like Gordon Chang.
- spiritcat 8y agoNo we'd probably work great together and be good friends. Now if I happened to be CEO in a sensitive industry.. it'd cross my mind ya. Nothing personal, but slightly higher than average probability that you maintain enough ties to home to be persuaded in one form or another by the superpower pouring immense resources into doing exactly that.
- Razengan 8y ago> It's their culture, they don't believe in attribution nor fair trade, they're used to growing up in a red ocean. That's the way they are. While I too find their blatant copying annoying and reprobate, you have to consider how they must view the West and its interference–to put it mildly–in their relatively-recent past. Literally bombarding nations that don't want to trade with you? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation
- astebbin 8y agoChina's government of that same period was hardly innocent, committing numerous genocidal wars of territorial expansion [0][1]. Hardly useful to compare either side of that historical situation to the present. Multi-generational assignment of guilt is something best left to the North Korean criminal justice system, I think. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Great_Campaigns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Great_Campaigns
- Razengan 8y agoThe point is that “they” probably justify their behavior as “beating the West at its own game.”
- ryanlol 8y ago>you have to consider how they must view the West and its interference–to put it mildly–in their relatively-recent past. Why doesn't the same apply to Germany?
- sangnoir 8y ago> Why doesn't the same apply to Germany? It does apply to Germany...after the first world war. The Germans didn'f feel shafted after the second world war because someone was paying attention during the interwar period and figured helping with the rebuilding and not inflaming tensions was a better idea.
- booleandilemma 8y agoThen does this give the US free reign to steal from them?
- hokumguru 8y agoWhat is there to steal? The primary resource from China technology-wise is physical materials - mostly their near-monopoly of rare earth metals. I believe most technological advancement happens in the west (for now) still.