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Isn't it possible that "income, or stability" experienced a sudden drastic change at some point after birthing the 5th kid? It is conceivable that the parent di

by antsar 8y ago

Isn't it possible that "income, or stability" experienced a sudden drastic change at some point after birthing the 5th kid? It is conceivable that the parent did not have full control over that change.

malcolmgreaves 8y ago
They made the choice to have the first, second, third, and fourth kid before the fifth one. Each child is a huge lifelong expense: everyone knows this fact. Condoms, birth control, abortions: these are all available tools to give people control over human reproduction.
- glitcher 8y ago
  The availability of abortions can be severely limited depending on which state you live in.
- oldoverholt 8y ago
  Just gonna drop this here, re: the availability of abortion services: https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-ohio https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abor...
- elil17 8y ago
  But birth control, condoms, and abortions are NOT given as a tool to most young people in America. Looking at Ohio specifically (where Jordan's school is), Schools don't have to tell kids that birth control exists, let alone show them how to properly use a condom (which is a non-trivial skill: condoms are 98% effective when put on properly but 85% effective in real life) Schools don't have to tell kids abortion exists. Even if kids did know, their parents can block them from getting an abortion. Also, getting an abortion requires traveling to a clinic, which often requires a car.
- Swizec 8y ago
  > everyone knows this fac And you can be completely fine and have plenty of resources for all 5 kids until your wife gets cancer and you drop 1 million dollars of medical expenses into that money pit and then she dies anyway. Now you have 5 kids, single income, and way less than no money. Strangers on the internet say it’s your fault. Enjoy Well I guess it’s your fault for having kids in a country with scant social safety nets. So you’re kinda right
  - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
    That sounds like an edge case to me. What proportion of single parent families are formed by death of a married parent vs. other options?
    - Swizec 8y ago
      The other option still takes away 50% of your net worth and 1 salary so it’s not like that’s ideal either.

by antsar 8y ago

malcolmgreaves 8y ago

They made the choice to have the first, second, third, and fourth kid before the fifth one. Each child is a huge lifelong expense: everyone knows this fact. Condoms, birth control, abortions: these are all available tools to give people control over human reproduction.

glitcher 8y ago
The availability of abortions can be severely limited depending on which state you live in.
oldoverholt 8y ago
Just gonna drop this here, re: the availability of abortion services: https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-ohio https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abor...
elil17 8y ago
But birth control, condoms, and abortions are NOT given as a tool to most young people in America. Looking at Ohio specifically (where Jordan's school is), Schools don't have to tell kids that birth control exists, let alone show them how to properly use a condom (which is a non-trivial skill: condoms are 98% effective when put on properly but 85% effective in real life) Schools don't have to tell kids abortion exists. Even if kids did know, their parents can block them from getting an abortion. Also, getting an abortion requires traveling to a clinic, which often requires a car.
Swizec 8y ago
> everyone knows this fac And you can be completely fine and have plenty of resources for all 5 kids until your wife gets cancer and you drop 1 million dollars of medical expenses into that money pit and then she dies anyway. Now you have 5 kids, single income, and way less than no money. Strangers on the internet say it’s your fault. Enjoy Well I guess it’s your fault for having kids in a country with scant social safety nets. So you’re kinda right
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  That sounds like an edge case to me. What proportion of single parent families are formed by death of a married parent vs. other options?
  - Swizec 8y ago
    The other option still takes away 50% of your net worth and 1 salary so it’s not like that’s ideal either.