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AirBnB -- How are their costs significant? Web hosting is extremely cheap. Yelp -- How are their costs significant? Web hosting is extremely cheap. Twitter --

AirBnB -- How are their costs significant? Web hosting is extremely cheap. Yelp -- How are their costs significant? Web hosting is extremely cheap. Twitter -- How are their costs significant? Web hosting is extremely cheap.

guipsp 8y ago
This would be a good reply, except you've failed to acknowledge arxiv's existence. Is the value of journals over arxiv worth the price? (market says yes, but markets are sometimes wrong).
- MrEldritch 8y ago
  Come to think of it, what does pay arXiv's bills?
  - bibixii929 8y ago
    Universities and foundations, etc. https://arxiv.org/help/support/faq#2B https://arxiv.org/help/support/faq#2B https://confluence.cornell.edu/display/arxivpub/arXiv+Budgets+and+Reserve+Fund+Policy https://confluence.cornell.edu/display/arxivpub/arXiv+Budget...
- romwell 8y ago
  >This would be a good reply, except you've failed to acknowledge arxiv's existence. Or SciHub's, for that matter.
yiyus 8y ago
Are you seriously comparing the web hosting needs of Elsevier and Twitter?
- Vinnl 8y ago
  No, they're comparing the cost structures, which both do not consist only of web hosting.
bloaf 8y ago
Web hosting is cheap enough that Wikipedia runs entirely on donations.
- Vinnl 8y ago
  Wikipedia definitely it not cheap, the donations that it receives are not a little, and web hosting are not its only costs.
  - IshKebab 8y ago
    Wikipedia only spends $2m on hosting out of a budget of $91m. It's biggest expense is salaries ($33m). But this is one of the biggest sites in the world. Something closer to what Journal Publisher's would need is Arxiv. Arxiv's budget is $1m of which they spend $60k on hosting and basically all of the rest on staff and staff support. Eslevier's revenue is £2.5b. billion. Their profit margin is over 50%. What a monumental waste.
    - Vinnl 8y ago
      Their profit margins is usually between 30-40%. Which is still a monumental waste.

guipsp 8y ago

This would be a good reply, except you've failed to acknowledge arxiv's existence. Is the value of journals over arxiv worth the price? (market says yes, but markets are sometimes wrong).

MrEldritch 8y ago
Come to think of it, what does pay arXiv's bills?
- bibixii929 8y ago
  Universities and foundations, etc. https://arxiv.org/help/support/faq#2B https://arxiv.org/help/support/faq#2B https://confluence.cornell.edu/display/arxivpub/arXiv+Budgets+and+Reserve+Fund+Policy https://confluence.cornell.edu/display/arxivpub/arXiv+Budget...
romwell 8y ago
>This would be a good reply, except you've failed to acknowledge arxiv's existence. Or SciHub's, for that matter.

yiyus 8y ago

Are you seriously comparing the web hosting needs of Elsevier and Twitter?

Vinnl 8y ago
No, they're comparing the cost structures, which both do not consist only of web hosting.

bloaf 8y ago

Web hosting is cheap enough that Wikipedia runs entirely on donations.

Vinnl 8y ago
Wikipedia definitely it not cheap, the donations that it receives are not a little, and web hosting are not its only costs.
- IshKebab 8y ago
  Wikipedia only spends $2m on hosting out of a budget of $91m. It's biggest expense is salaries ($33m). But this is one of the biggest sites in the world. Something closer to what Journal Publisher's would need is Arxiv. Arxiv's budget is $1m of which they spend $60k on hosting and basically all of the rest on staff and staff support. Eslevier's revenue is £2.5b. billion. Their profit margin is over 50%. What a monumental waste.
  - Vinnl 8y ago
    Their profit margins is usually between 30-40%. Which is still a monumental waste.