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> I had never seen before neither the triple parentheses nor the 7 parentheses So it's safe to say you wouldn't have used them, surely? Especially when you're

by untog 8y ago

> I had never seen before neither the triple parentheses nor the 7 parentheses So it's safe to say you wouldn't have used them, surely? Especially when you're talking about a Jewish person - it would be an incredible coincidence to have done so. Which of these two scenarios seems more likely: - When referring to a Jewish person, the WikiLeaks account just spontaneously decided to surround text in parentheses, as opposed to literally any other way of communicating (why not just say "the Menorah issue"?) - The WikiLeaks account knew of, and used, terminology common in alt-right circles?

dogma1138 8y ago
Not to mention that the menorah that most Jews are used too is the one from Hanukkah which holds 9 candles ;) The only modern use of the 7 candle menorah today is the state symbol of Israel which if we takes the GP tin foil hat theory to heart makes it even more racist.
- DoctorOetker 8y ago
  I never claimed my high school education to be accurate or representative, but probably neither is that of 90% of the internet population...
- DoctorOetker 8y ago
  >The only modern use of the 7 candle menorah today is the state symbol of Israel which if we takes the GP tin foil hat theory to heart makes it even more racist. I'm afraid I am unable to understand what you are saying? until today I was unaware of the 9-candle version. Do I understand correctly this would mean the WL tweet might instead refer to "Israel issue"?
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    Funny, the first result that you get when googling Menorah leads you to the 9 candle version.... https://www.google.com/search?q=menorah https://www.google.com/search?q=menorah "The Hanukkah menorah, also chanukiah or hanukkiah is a nine-branched candelabrum lit during the eight-day holiday of Hanukkah, as opposed to the seven-branched menorah used in the ancient Temple or as a symbol." And no, the WL tweet does not refer to anything other than to WL using anti-semitic symbolism to attack a Jewish reporter, stop grasping at straws.
    - DoctorOetker 8y ago
      Well that just indicates my go to source tends to be wikipedia...
      - dogma1138 8y ago
        Wikipedia does not auto-redirect on search for the term Menorah: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah Menorah may refer to: Menorah (Temple), a seven-lamp candelabrum used in the ancient Tabernacle in the desert, the Temple in Jerusalem, and synagogues Menorah (Hanukkah) or ḥanukkiyah, a nine-lamp candelabrum used on the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah Knesset Menorah, a bronze monument in front of the Knesset in Israel Menorah Medical Center, an acute care hospital in Overland Park, Kansas Menorah church, a fundamentalist congregation in Switzerland founded by Bruno Meyer So pretty hard to see how one would miss this by chance.....
        DoctorOetker 8y ago
        It's not at all hard to see how I arrived there if you would only read what I wrote. I thought it was called candelabra So I went to my goto source wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candelabra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candelabra Find the following sentence, the only one that references "menorah": "In Judaism and the Philippine church Iglesia ni Cristo, the menorah is a special kind of candelabrum. " this links directly to the menorah temple version... if you think this should be changed go BE BOLD! I perused the wikipedia page on Menorah (Temple) some more, and learned that the 7-candle one is considered more sacred, and should only be used in the temple (or perhaps synagogues?) If it was intended anti-semitically I consider it possible to be chosen over the 9-candle version which Judaism allows to be used outside of temples, since depicting a 7-candle version might "violate" this self-imposed rule. When the personality cult president of turkmenistan quit smoking, he banned it nationwide. Similarily an ex-alcoholic doesn't like to see people drink in his vicinity. Similarily some muslims might not appreciate people around them showing off how they are eating during daytime during the ramadan. While I can empathize with their feeling of annoyance, a self-imposed rule is a self-imposed rule. That said I now can interpret depicting a 7-candled Menorah outside of their holy places, can sometimes be done to piss off jews... But I don't believe others should be held to self-imposed rules of one group. Even if it is bad taste of outsiders to shove it in their face. We are not all required by law to be friendly to each other.
DoctorOetker 8y ago
I would never use it now because right after reading (and seeing a Menorah) I saw how others were interpreting it. If I had seen someone use an ASCII Menorah to depict something jewish, in a way that I thought it innocuously depicted a Menorah, I still probably wouldn't use it, not because it would be bad form (as I would be still under the impression it simply depicts a jewish object), but because I don't think ASCII art beyond smileys is a clear form of art, even smileys are routinely misinterpreted as sarcasm smiles when intended as honest smiles etc... Which of these seem more likely? I don't do non-intrinsic polarization. I usually don't mind selecting between 2 statements if they are each others mathematical negation (intrinsic or benign polarization, I believe a statement is either true or false). But being forced to choose between 2 options that are not mathematical negations of each other is extrinsic polarization AKA a false dilemma...
- untog 8y ago
  > But being forced to choose between 2 options that are not mathematical negations of each other is extrinsic polarization AKA a false dilemma... No, that's "life".
  - DoctorOetker 8y ago
    Please don't support the mechanics of artificial polarization, especially in a thread complaining about artificial polarization...
SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
>- When referring to a Jewish person, the WikiLeaks account just spontaneously decided to surround text in parentheses, Except... WL didn't do that. They never surrounded text like that at all. They said on guy who was trying to antagonize them was involved with the ((())) issue. That's REALLY FAR from them saying something antisemitic.

by untog 8y ago

dogma1138 8y ago

Not to mention that the menorah that most Jews are used too is the one from Hanukkah which holds 9 candles ;) The only modern use of the 7 candle menorah today is the state symbol of Israel which if we takes the GP tin foil hat theory to heart makes it even more racist.

DoctorOetker 8y ago
I never claimed my high school education to be accurate or representative, but probably neither is that of 90% of the internet population...
DoctorOetker 8y ago
>The only modern use of the 7 candle menorah today is the state symbol of Israel which if we takes the GP tin foil hat theory to heart makes it even more racist. I'm afraid I am unable to understand what you are saying? until today I was unaware of the 9-candle version. Do I understand correctly this would mean the WL tweet might instead refer to "Israel issue"?
- dogma1138 8y ago
  Funny, the first result that you get when googling Menorah leads you to the 9 candle version.... https://www.google.com/search?q=menorah https://www.google.com/search?q=menorah "The Hanukkah menorah, also chanukiah or hanukkiah is a nine-branched candelabrum lit during the eight-day holiday of Hanukkah, as opposed to the seven-branched menorah used in the ancient Temple or as a symbol." And no, the WL tweet does not refer to anything other than to WL using anti-semitic symbolism to attack a Jewish reporter, stop grasping at straws.
  - DoctorOetker 8y ago
    Well that just indicates my go to source tends to be wikipedia...
    - dogma1138 8y ago
      Wikipedia does not auto-redirect on search for the term Menorah: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah Menorah may refer to: Menorah (Temple), a seven-lamp candelabrum used in the ancient Tabernacle in the desert, the Temple in Jerusalem, and synagogues Menorah (Hanukkah) or ḥanukkiyah, a nine-lamp candelabrum used on the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah Knesset Menorah, a bronze monument in front of the Knesset in Israel Menorah Medical Center, an acute care hospital in Overland Park, Kansas Menorah church, a fundamentalist congregation in Switzerland founded by Bruno Meyer So pretty hard to see how one would miss this by chance.....
      - DoctorOetker 8y ago
        It's not at all hard to see how I arrived there if you would only read what I wrote. I thought it was called candelabra So I went to my goto source wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candelabra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candelabra Find the following sentence, the only one that references "menorah": "In Judaism and the Philippine church Iglesia ni Cristo, the menorah is a special kind of candelabrum. " this links directly to the menorah temple version... if you think this should be changed go BE BOLD! I perused the wikipedia page on Menorah (Temple) some more, and learned that the 7-candle one is considered more sacred, and should only be used in the temple (or perhaps synagogues?) If it was intended anti-semitically I consider it possible to be chosen over the 9-candle version which Judaism allows to be used outside of temples, since depicting a 7-candle version might "violate" this self-imposed rule. When the personality cult president of turkmenistan quit smoking, he banned it nationwide. Similarily an ex-alcoholic doesn't like to see people drink in his vicinity. Similarily some muslims might not appreciate people around them showing off how they are eating during daytime during the ramadan. While I can empathize with their feeling of annoyance, a self-imposed rule is a self-imposed rule. That said I now can interpret depicting a 7-candled Menorah outside of their holy places, can sometimes be done to piss off jews... But I don't believe others should be held to self-imposed rules of one group. Even if it is bad taste of outsiders to shove it in their face. We are not all required by law to be friendly to each other.

DoctorOetker 8y ago

I would never use it now because right after reading (and seeing a Menorah) I saw how others were interpreting it. If I had seen someone use an ASCII Menorah to depict something jewish, in a way that I thought it innocuously depicted a Menorah, I still probably wouldn't use it, not because it would be bad form (as I would be still under the impression it simply depicts a jewish object), but because I don't think ASCII art beyond smileys is a clear form of art, even smileys are routinely misinterpreted as sarcasm smiles when intended as honest smiles etc... Which of these seem more likely? I don't do non-intrinsic polarization. I usually don't mind selecting between 2 statements if they are each others mathematical negation (intrinsic or benign polarization, I believe a statement is either true or false). But being forced to choose between 2 options that are not mathematical negations of each other is extrinsic polarization AKA a false dilemma...

untog 8y ago
> But being forced to choose between 2 options that are not mathematical negations of each other is extrinsic polarization AKA a false dilemma... No, that's "life".
- DoctorOetker 8y ago
  Please don't support the mechanics of artificial polarization, especially in a thread complaining about artificial polarization...

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago

>- When referring to a Jewish person, the WikiLeaks account just spontaneously decided to surround text in parentheses, Except... WL didn't do that. They never surrounded text like that at all. They said on guy who was trying to antagonize them was involved with the ((())) issue. That's REALLY FAR from them saying something antisemitic.