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Lol....man the world we live in. I remember growing up thinking superman was the most American thing you can think of and now a days its about immigration. In t

Lol....man the world we live in. I remember growing up thinking superman was the most American thing you can think of and now a days its about immigration. In that sense all Americans other than natives are illegal immigrants :)

ataturk 8y ago
Leave it to idiots to use Superman as some kind of example as to why illegal immigration is good! You need to hear yourselves. Just to play along, Superman's human parents played him off as their own child, so more like an adopted kid. Also, back in the '40s or whenever the hell Superman comics began, there wasn't instant "Mark of the Beast" SSNs applied to all infants and things were much more wishy washy as far as who came from where because a) nobody cared and b) here was not massive welfare available and thus no welfare fraud. Lastly, unlike the teeming multitudes of leeches, Superman was actually a productive citizen. ETA: Know Your Customer (KYA) was begun after 9/11 during the Bush Administration's acceleration of Orweillan policies designed to make extra billions for corporations that provide services to government. Same old same old.
nebulous1 8y ago
" In that sense all Americans other than natives are illegal immigrants" Well, no. Decedents of though.
- mac01021 8y ago
  "Natives", here, clearly means people born in the country, rather than aboriginal.
- tialaramex 8y ago
  Birth right citizenship was invented by the White American colonists who decided that fuck the cost of setting up the colonies, they were going to be "free" now and do whatever they wanted. If you arrive somewhere and decide that the new rules say you were always in charge and you get to choose all the rules, don't for a moment think those rules are any more legitimate just because you say so. Nobody asked America's existing inhabitants whether they wanted European colonies. The Europeans took whatever they pleased. Nobody asked them for permission to form the United States of America either. And that birthright citizenship of course didn't apply to those native inhabitants except - after the old white men running things started to very slowly become aware of how amazingly racist they were - retrospectively. It also didn't apply to all the black slaves they'd imported, or the cheap Chinese labour they imported for decades. Those weren't white people, and so, thanks to racism, they weren't counted as "people" at all and weren't entitled to your imagined birthright citizenship. It's all very ugly underneath. "I'm declaring myself owner of this whole cake. Now, I'm going to give you one small slice to share between you. Don't fuss! It's my cake after all, even if you did make it".
  - lainga 8y ago
    >was invented by the White American colonists By the 14th Amendment in 1868? The Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1802 don't mention birthright citizenship. Children born to foreigners only became citizens once their parents did.
  - bvc35 8y ago
    Everyone knows that the United States of America, like almost every nation and people on earth, has a violent past filled with ethnic cleansing, wars, and genocide. Are you suggesting that inherited citizenship should be done away with?
    - tialaramex 8y ago
      Inherited citizenship is very different, the US has fairly weak inherited citizenship, it relies way more on granting citizenship by reason of presence in the country at birth. Suppose both your parents were born in country X to country X citizens from a long line. They live in country X all their lives, until one day at say, 35, they move to country Y. They then settle in country Y, you are conceived soon after and born there, you grow up there, you think of Y as your home. Do you have citizenship of country X? Of country Y? Neither? Both? The US says if X is the USA then you are NOT a citizen of the US. Your parents (who are citizens) could bring you into the country, and do the paperwork, and you would probably qualify, but not automatically. The longer you all wait, the more unlikely it becomes. Once you're 18, you are just another foreigner if you didn't already start the process. The US also says if Y is the USA, then you ARE a citizen of the US, regardless of almost anything else. Some countries operate almost the reverse rule. For example if X is Ireland then you're an Irish Citizen, but if Y is Ireland you probably aren't unless X was the United Kingdom or your parents had some other form of "enduring connection" to Ireland. The only overall principle is that all UN members have agreed not to create "stateless people". That is, if there appears to be no citizenship you're entitled to, somebody has to pick up the slack and make you their problem. The US system is simple in this respect - if there's an unexplained baby born in the US, Americans just give it US citizenship. Simple. The rules against statelessness are partly because statelessness is a colossal bureaucratic problem and the UN would much rather its members stopped making it worse, but also because has an enormous human rights impact, statelessness usually means you can't get decent treatment anywhere because everybody says you aren't their problem.
toomuchtodo 8y ago
Superman was the ultimate American immigrant, and America welcomed him with open arms. How quickly some have forgotten the values America was founded on.
- tjfl 8y ago
  He set the bar very high.

ataturk 8y ago

Leave it to idiots to use Superman as some kind of example as to why illegal immigration is good! You need to hear yourselves. Just to play along, Superman's human parents played him off as their own child, so more like an adopted kid. Also, back in the '40s or whenever the hell Superman comics began, there wasn't instant "Mark of the Beast" SSNs applied to all infants and things were much more wishy washy as far as who came from where because a) nobody cared and b) here was not massive welfare available and thus no welfare fraud. Lastly, unlike the teeming multitudes of leeches, Superman was actually a productive citizen. ETA: Know Your Customer (KYA) was begun after 9/11 during the Bush Administration's acceleration of Orweillan policies designed to make extra billions for corporations that provide services to government. Same old same old.

nebulous1 8y ago

" In that sense all Americans other than natives are illegal immigrants" Well, no. Decedents of though.

mac01021 8y ago
"Natives", here, clearly means people born in the country, rather than aboriginal.
tialaramex 8y ago
Birth right citizenship was invented by the White American colonists who decided that fuck the cost of setting up the colonies, they were going to be "free" now and do whatever they wanted. If you arrive somewhere and decide that the new rules say you were always in charge and you get to choose all the rules, don't for a moment think those rules are any more legitimate just because you say so. Nobody asked America's existing inhabitants whether they wanted European colonies. The Europeans took whatever they pleased. Nobody asked them for permission to form the United States of America either. And that birthright citizenship of course didn't apply to those native inhabitants except - after the old white men running things started to very slowly become aware of how amazingly racist they were - retrospectively. It also didn't apply to all the black slaves they'd imported, or the cheap Chinese labour they imported for decades. Those weren't white people, and so, thanks to racism, they weren't counted as "people" at all and weren't entitled to your imagined birthright citizenship. It's all very ugly underneath. "I'm declaring myself owner of this whole cake. Now, I'm going to give you one small slice to share between you. Don't fuss! It's my cake after all, even if you did make it".
- lainga 8y ago
  >was invented by the White American colonists By the 14th Amendment in 1868? The Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1802 don't mention birthright citizenship. Children born to foreigners only became citizens once their parents did.
- bvc35 8y ago
  Everyone knows that the United States of America, like almost every nation and people on earth, has a violent past filled with ethnic cleansing, wars, and genocide. Are you suggesting that inherited citizenship should be done away with?
  - tialaramex 8y ago
    Inherited citizenship is very different, the US has fairly weak inherited citizenship, it relies way more on granting citizenship by reason of presence in the country at birth. Suppose both your parents were born in country X to country X citizens from a long line. They live in country X all their lives, until one day at say, 35, they move to country Y. They then settle in country Y, you are conceived soon after and born there, you grow up there, you think of Y as your home. Do you have citizenship of country X? Of country Y? Neither? Both? The US says if X is the USA then you are NOT a citizen of the US. Your parents (who are citizens) could bring you into the country, and do the paperwork, and you would probably qualify, but not automatically. The longer you all wait, the more unlikely it becomes. Once you're 18, you are just another foreigner if you didn't already start the process. The US also says if Y is the USA, then you ARE a citizen of the US, regardless of almost anything else. Some countries operate almost the reverse rule. For example if X is Ireland then you're an Irish Citizen, but if Y is Ireland you probably aren't unless X was the United Kingdom or your parents had some other form of "enduring connection" to Ireland. The only overall principle is that all UN members have agreed not to create "stateless people". That is, if there appears to be no citizenship you're entitled to, somebody has to pick up the slack and make you their problem. The US system is simple in this respect - if there's an unexplained baby born in the US, Americans just give it US citizenship. Simple. The rules against statelessness are partly because statelessness is a colossal bureaucratic problem and the UN would much rather its members stopped making it worse, but also because has an enormous human rights impact, statelessness usually means you can't get decent treatment anywhere because everybody says you aren't their problem.

toomuchtodo 8y ago

Superman was the ultimate American immigrant, and America welcomed him with open arms. How quickly some have forgotten the values America was founded on.

tjfl 8y ago
He set the bar very high.