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Iran is definitely under-represented in western education. I came across this the other day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhch%C4%81l https://en.wikipedia.o

Iran is definitely under-represented in western education. I came across this the other day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhch%C4%81l https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhch%C4%81l Iranians constructed these deep structures that engineered in a such a way to grow ice in the winter and keep the ice for the entirety of summer. They made a kind of sorbet as a dessert. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faloodeh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faloodeh Thanks for sharing this! Great read!

msaharia 8y ago
Thanks for posting this!
mavelikara 8y ago
I had always wondered how they came up with Faloodeh, for a community that had very hot summers. Thanks for posting, this explains it! BTW, love Faloodeh! Also, not to be confused with Falooda (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falooda https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falooda).
- walrus01 8y ago
  If you like Faloodeh you might like Firnee: https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=firnee&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=fir...
cheez 8y ago
There will be a comment about how Persians didn't really come up with the concept and the basic idea was created by <some culture that _is_ covered in western education>
- dang 8y ago
  Please don't post flamebait. It causes the very problem you're talking about, i.e. taking threads in a bad and needless direction.
walrus01 8y ago
Yakhchāl is also used in Dari (Afghan version of Farsi) to refer to ordinary household refrigerators. Or if you were going to be really specific, Yakhchāl barqee which means electrical fridge. There's also these, which are marvels of desert engineering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
- MarkPash 8y ago
  To avoid confusion, it is also used in the same way in standard Iranian Farsi too. And while Yakhchāl barqee makes sense, I've never heard that before, at least in an informal setting anyway.
rezashirazian 8y ago
I always think the European border would have extended all the way to Iran (and thus more fairly represented in western cultures) if it hadn't fallen to the Arabian conquest.
- endisukaj 8y ago
  Fallen and stayed*. Andalusia too was part of the muslim caliphate and yet....
  - rezashirazian 8y ago
    True.
- Mediterraneo10 8y ago
  Before the Arab invasions, there was a state of constant hostility and sometimes outright war between Byzantium and Persia. I think that even had the Arab conquests not happened, Christian Europe would still have seen Persia as "other".
  - inawarminister 8y ago
    And even the West as it is treated the Greeks (and Russians!) as Oriental others. The former between 800s-1400, the latter between 1700 to now. [] Started with Charlemagne being crowned as Holy Roman Emperor when the Eastern Empress (Mother?) Irene still lives. Even to the point of friendly relationship between the Roman Emperor on Aachen and Arab Caliph on Baghdad, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid–Carolingian_alliance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid–Carolingian_alliance
- enitihas 8y ago
  Or the Persian(Iranian) border may have extended all the way to Europe had Persia defeated the greeks. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Salamis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Salamis 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
zaarn 8y ago
To my knowledge, a countries education tends to focus on the country itself. American education teaches a lot about the US but little about the history of specific European countries and in turn EU countries teach little about American history ( IIRC during my education we covered the entirety of the US history in half a year and then went back to more local history ) It's always quite amazing to realize that other countries mostly have just as much of a rich history as your own.
- mattmanser 8y ago
  This wasn't true in the UK when I was at school 20 years ago. Admittedly, the 'general' history we did in the first 3 years of secondary school (11-14) we covered mostly western history, but it covered Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, etc. We did some English history (Boudicca, Alfred, is all I can remember now). In the optional GCSE History I did (14-16) we did little English history as far as I remember and covered inter-war Germany + rise of Hitler, Vietnam war, Chinese Communist Revolution, formation of Israel, Cuban Missile Crisis and probably some more I've now forgotten. EDIT: I actually now remember we did cover Cromwell + English Civil war as well as William the Orange and the Suez crisis, probably at least one of those in GCSE. Slightly modified to reflect this. A lot of those do directly impact the UK, although when we covered China, it was still fairly weak compared to its present position in the world.
  - amaccuish 8y ago
    Left school 4 years ago now. At primary, it's mostly kings and queen's, magna carta etc. Secondary it's mainly WWI/II (including "roaring 20s US" and Weimar). For sixth form it's the USSR, America, and I think China (I didn't do A-level history). (This was the AQA course anyway) Weirdly we learnt almost nothing about the British Empire, which I think is sad because some people have a rose-tinted view of it. You can't begin to form an actual opinion until you know the history, the good and the bad etc.
    - mattmanser 8y ago
      If the exam boards still work the same way, different boards have different historical subjects, and I think they might even have a range of historical subjects that the teacher can be pick from, so not every school is the same. I've learnt a lot of my English history from Bernard Cornwell historical fiction books.
rezeroed 8y ago
Interesting. Reminded me of the Kew Gardens Ice House, a far more modest Georgian England version.
foota 8y ago
The Yakhchal reminds me of this strategy for preserving a water supply through summer in the Himalayas https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/22/the-ice-stupas-of-ladakh-solving-water-crisis-in-the-high-desert-of-himalaya https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/22/the-ice-...
senorjazz 8y ago
Am half way through Dan Carlins King of Kings podcast all about the Persian empire and and hefty chunk on what came before in the region. Thoroughly recommended, as you say I was fairly ignorant to most all the history of this region
frozenport 8y ago
No its not. Persia has contributed almost nothing to modern discourse and thought. They will be primarily remembered for checking the expansion of the Roman empire and state sponsored terrorism.
Alex3917 8y ago
> Iran is definitely under-represented in western education. The British destroyed a lot of their advanced ancient technology, which is probably why it's not taught as much.

msaharia 8y ago

Thanks for posting this!

mavelikara 8y ago

I had always wondered how they came up with Faloodeh, for a community that had very hot summers. Thanks for posting, this explains it! BTW, love Faloodeh! Also, not to be confused with Falooda (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falooda https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falooda).

walrus01 8y ago
If you like Faloodeh you might like Firnee: https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=firnee&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=fir...

cheez 8y ago

There will be a comment about how Persians didn't really come up with the concept and the basic idea was created by <some culture that _is_ covered in western education>

dang 8y ago
Please don't post flamebait. It causes the very problem you're talking about, i.e. taking threads in a bad and needless direction.

walrus01 8y ago

Yakhchāl is also used in Dari (Afghan version of Farsi) to refer to ordinary household refrigerators. Or if you were going to be really specific, Yakhchāl barqee which means electrical fridge. There's also these, which are marvels of desert engineering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat

MarkPash 8y ago
To avoid confusion, it is also used in the same way in standard Iranian Farsi too. And while Yakhchāl barqee makes sense, I've never heard that before, at least in an informal setting anyway.

rezashirazian 8y ago

I always think the European border would have extended all the way to Iran (and thus more fairly represented in western cultures) if it hadn't fallen to the Arabian conquest.

endisukaj 8y ago
Fallen and stayed*. Andalusia too was part of the muslim caliphate and yet....
- rezashirazian 8y ago
  True.
Mediterraneo10 8y ago
Before the Arab invasions, there was a state of constant hostility and sometimes outright war between Byzantium and Persia. I think that even had the Arab conquests not happened, Christian Europe would still have seen Persia as "other".
- inawarminister 8y ago
  And even the West as it is treated the Greeks (and Russians!) as Oriental others. The former between 800s-1400, the latter between 1700 to now. [] Started with Charlemagne being crowned as Holy Roman Emperor when the Eastern Empress (Mother?) Irene still lives. Even to the point of friendly relationship between the Roman Emperor on Aachen and Arab Caliph on Baghdad, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid–Carolingian_alliance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid–Carolingian_alliance
enitihas 8y ago
Or the Persian(Iranian) border may have extended all the way to Europe had Persia defeated the greeks. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Salamis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Salamis 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

zaarn 8y ago

To my knowledge, a countries education tends to focus on the country itself. American education teaches a lot about the US but little about the history of specific European countries and in turn EU countries teach little about American history ( IIRC during my education we covered the entirety of the US history in half a year and then went back to more local history ) It's always quite amazing to realize that other countries mostly have just as much of a rich history as your own.

mattmanser 8y ago
This wasn't true in the UK when I was at school 20 years ago. Admittedly, the 'general' history we did in the first 3 years of secondary school (11-14) we covered mostly western history, but it covered Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, etc. We did some English history (Boudicca, Alfred, is all I can remember now). In the optional GCSE History I did (14-16) we did little English history as far as I remember and covered inter-war Germany + rise of Hitler, Vietnam war, Chinese Communist Revolution, formation of Israel, Cuban Missile Crisis and probably some more I've now forgotten. EDIT: I actually now remember we did cover Cromwell + English Civil war as well as William the Orange and the Suez crisis, probably at least one of those in GCSE. Slightly modified to reflect this. A lot of those do directly impact the UK, although when we covered China, it was still fairly weak compared to its present position in the world.
- amaccuish 8y ago
  Left school 4 years ago now. At primary, it's mostly kings and queen's, magna carta etc. Secondary it's mainly WWI/II (including "roaring 20s US" and Weimar). For sixth form it's the USSR, America, and I think China (I didn't do A-level history). (This was the AQA course anyway) Weirdly we learnt almost nothing about the British Empire, which I think is sad because some people have a rose-tinted view of it. You can't begin to form an actual opinion until you know the history, the good and the bad etc.
  - mattmanser 8y ago
    If the exam boards still work the same way, different boards have different historical subjects, and I think they might even have a range of historical subjects that the teacher can be pick from, so not every school is the same. I've learnt a lot of my English history from Bernard Cornwell historical fiction books.

rezeroed 8y ago

Interesting. Reminded me of the Kew Gardens Ice House, a far more modest Georgian England version.

foota 8y ago

The Yakhchal reminds me of this strategy for preserving a water supply through summer in the Himalayas https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/22/the-ice-stupas-of-ladakh-solving-water-crisis-in-the-high-desert-of-himalaya https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/22/the-ice-...

senorjazz 8y ago

Am half way through Dan Carlins King of Kings podcast all about the Persian empire and and hefty chunk on what came before in the region. Thoroughly recommended, as you say I was fairly ignorant to most all the history of this region

frozenport 8y ago

No its not. Persia has contributed almost nothing to modern discourse and thought. They will be primarily remembered for checking the expansion of the Roman empire and state sponsored terrorism.

Alex3917 8y ago

> Iran is definitely under-represented in western education. The British destroyed a lot of their advanced ancient technology, which is probably why it's not taught as much.