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The web long ago became not only a document store but also a thin client platform for distributing full client applications to end users. That cat is out of the

by api 8y ago

The web long ago became not only a document store but also a thin client platform for distributing full client applications to end users. That cat is out of the bag and is not going to be stuffed back in. WASM is really just a cleaner, faster, more elegant way of running alternative languages to JavaScript in the browser. It replaces transpilers that turned languages like Java or Go into ugly basically machine code JavaScript blobs. It will save bandwidth and improve performance but otherwise doesn't change much. Note that transpiled and uglified JavaScript is already "closed source," so nothing changes there. Anything can be obfuscated.

clan 8y ago
I do see your point! I am however scared that HTML will go the way of Gopher. Why would anyone care to maintain boring hypertext documents when we can have app of the day. Marketing departments everywhere tend to turn the web into Blinkenlights. How many support documents of more than 15-20 years ago are you able to still find using the old links? So many sites are working as dumb front-ends for a database. The information retrieval and persistence over time is not something many worries about. The cat is for sure out of the bag. I just hope what was still can survive.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  > The cat is for sure out of the bag. I just hope what was still can survive. I hope so too, but as a member of predatory and territorial species, the cat will most likely keep on killing everything else around it.
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    Yes, but only for about four hours a day, because naps.
- Dolanator11 8y ago
  >I am however scared that HTML will go the way of Gopher. Why would anyone care to maintain boring hypertext documents when we can have app of the day. JS or Wasm can't create documents by themselves, they still need a DOM. Even if it's a 2D canvas or some WebGL canvas, it's still a DOM element. Or even if it's just an iframe that loads some blob, on the top level it's still a DOM element. And as such it can be inspected and controlled.
  - mathnmusic 8y ago
    > And as such it can be inspected and controlled Not if the content is decrypted by EME that's not fully controlled by the browser.
- ringbugger 8y ago
  I think marketing departments would quickly notice that most crawlers won't execute all the fancy Blinkenlights. I would assume that it will take a while for tooling in any other language to get to a javascript level. I think WASM will mainly be support for the latter. Do some excessive calculations.... and yeah, excessive Blinkenlights.
  - paulie_a 8y ago
    You'd be surprised, marketing departments generally do not have a clue about that specific type of thing. Hell eBay's operations apparently doesn't from my experience. It's incredibly easy to game marketing, and internet marketing is mindlessly easy without the invasive stalking.
grondilu 8y ago
Exactly. Well said.

by api 8y ago

clan 8y ago

I do see your point! I am however scared that HTML will go the way of Gopher. Why would anyone care to maintain boring hypertext documents when we can have app of the day. Marketing departments everywhere tend to turn the web into Blinkenlights. How many support documents of more than 15-20 years ago are you able to still find using the old links? So many sites are working as dumb front-ends for a database. The information retrieval and persistence over time is not something many worries about. The cat is for sure out of the bag. I just hope what was still can survive.

TeMPOraL 8y ago
> The cat is for sure out of the bag. I just hope what was still can survive. I hope so too, but as a member of predatory and territorial species, the cat will most likely keep on killing everything else around it.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  Yes, but only for about four hours a day, because naps.
Dolanator11 8y ago
>I am however scared that HTML will go the way of Gopher. Why would anyone care to maintain boring hypertext documents when we can have app of the day. JS or Wasm can't create documents by themselves, they still need a DOM. Even if it's a 2D canvas or some WebGL canvas, it's still a DOM element. Or even if it's just an iframe that loads some blob, on the top level it's still a DOM element. And as such it can be inspected and controlled.
- mathnmusic 8y ago
  > And as such it can be inspected and controlled Not if the content is decrypted by EME that's not fully controlled by the browser.
ringbugger 8y ago
I think marketing departments would quickly notice that most crawlers won't execute all the fancy Blinkenlights. I would assume that it will take a while for tooling in any other language to get to a javascript level. I think WASM will mainly be support for the latter. Do some excessive calculations.... and yeah, excessive Blinkenlights.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  You'd be surprised, marketing departments generally do not have a clue about that specific type of thing. Hell eBay's operations apparently doesn't from my experience. It's incredibly easy to game marketing, and internet marketing is mindlessly easy without the invasive stalking.

grondilu 8y ago

Exactly. Well said.