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>> In the US, employment status and your employer determine your access to health-care I have spotted the problem. As usual, America wins the absurdity trophy

>> In the US, employment status and your employer determine your access to health-care I have spotted the problem. As usual, America wins the absurdity trophy.

expertentipp 8y ago
Isn’t it case in most of the world, including many EU countries? Please don’t bring up the “free” healthcare, unviersal healthcare can really mistreat one for whom contributions are not paid.
- maxerickson 8y ago
  Specific comparisons would make your comment more interesting.
- skrebbel 8y ago
  Wait, what? Where else in the developed world do you lose access to basic health care (or, well, it'll bankrupt you and you'll be in shit for the rest of your life, same same) simply by losing a job? Do you really think that that is the case in most EU countries too?
- mrweasel 8y ago
  >unviersal healthcare can really mistreat one for whom contributions are not paid The point is that there are no contributions, well taxes, but that doesn't go towards the individual but the health services as a whole. Stil, your employer can buy you "better" (or at least quicker) access to private alternatives, but I don't think that's what you meant.
- jmngomes 8y ago
  It's not the case at all in most, if not all, EU countries. You have access to healthcare for small fees, and you'll generally get better care than in the private sector; you'll just have to wait longer if it's not urgent. I know for a fact that in at least two EU capitals private hospitals often forward patients they are unable to handle (e.g. complicated births) to public hospitals, who are more skilled and experienced.
  - sudshekhar 8y ago
    > private hospitals often forward patients they are unable to handle (e.g. complicated births) to public hospitals, who are more skilled and experienced. In India, this happens simply because private hospitals don't want mortalities on their hands. Complicated cases often mean higher chances of things going wrong. Best let the public hospitals handle it.
- shodan666 8y ago
  You are very very wrong my friend. Healthcare in most developed countries is really FREE. It works usually in one of two forms: GOVERMENT owns the hospitals and fund them from taxes and "insurance contributions". You pay your TAXES and in exchange you got the free "unlimited" healhcare - you don't need to pay anything extra no matter of what. For example in UK you (actually its your employer) pay like 5$ per month (I'm serious!) for Health insurance - with 100% coverage. It is the same coverage for healthy 18 year old, and for 75 year old with cancer. While you are uneployed: the goverment is paying your contributions. You don't need EVER to pay them back. The key point here: healhcare is provided by goverment, so goverment does not escalate the cost of healhcare as in USA - as it would be hurting itself (while in US free market is extorting the money from both the goverment AND patients). In 100% all post soviet countries its similar system: 1. Your employeer pays fixed rate of "healh insurance" for all workers. 2. Its usually the same rate no matter if you have cancer/aids or you are 19yr old. 3. If you are out of job - the goverment is paying such insurace NO MATTER OF WHAT (as long as you are active job seeker). SIMPLE. TL;DR: NO ONE IN EUROPE IS A HOSTAGE TO THE "insurance bills" or "diffrent bills for diffrent people with diffrent health problems". Everyone pays the same, if you are richer you might pay more - but thats just like tax, not based on your health.
- krageon 8y ago
  Based on the content of your comment, I can tell you with certainty you don't know what you are talking about. Do some actual research before you make outlandish (and wrong) claims please.
mario0b1 8y ago
This passage made me appreciate germanys health care. You can think of germany whatever you want, but the easy access to health care is super glorious. I think a lot of people that live here are not aware of it, because it just happens to be there and they don't have to think about it. The past 2 1/2 years i had to go to so many doctors and I was just happy to live in a country with absolutely beautiful healthcare. But maybe it is bad how the german health system works and I just have been lucky. It's possible, but I don't think so.

>> In the US, employment status and your employer determine your access to health-care I have spotted the problem. As usual, America wins the absurdity trophy.

expertentipp 8y ago

Isn’t it case in most of the world, including many EU countries? Please don’t bring up the “free” healthcare, unviersal healthcare can really mistreat one for whom contributions are not paid.

maxerickson 8y ago
Specific comparisons would make your comment more interesting.
skrebbel 8y ago
Wait, what? Where else in the developed world do you lose access to basic health care (or, well, it'll bankrupt you and you'll be in shit for the rest of your life, same same) simply by losing a job? Do you really think that that is the case in most EU countries too?
mrweasel 8y ago
>unviersal healthcare can really mistreat one for whom contributions are not paid The point is that there are no contributions, well taxes, but that doesn't go towards the individual but the health services as a whole. Stil, your employer can buy you "better" (or at least quicker) access to private alternatives, but I don't think that's what you meant.
jmngomes 8y ago
It's not the case at all in most, if not all, EU countries. You have access to healthcare for small fees, and you'll generally get better care than in the private sector; you'll just have to wait longer if it's not urgent. I know for a fact that in at least two EU capitals private hospitals often forward patients they are unable to handle (e.g. complicated births) to public hospitals, who are more skilled and experienced.
- sudshekhar 8y ago
  > private hospitals often forward patients they are unable to handle (e.g. complicated births) to public hospitals, who are more skilled and experienced. In India, this happens simply because private hospitals don't want mortalities on their hands. Complicated cases often mean higher chances of things going wrong. Best let the public hospitals handle it.
shodan666 8y ago
You are very very wrong my friend. Healthcare in most developed countries is really FREE. It works usually in one of two forms: GOVERMENT owns the hospitals and fund them from taxes and "insurance contributions". You pay your TAXES and in exchange you got the free "unlimited" healhcare - you don't need to pay anything extra no matter of what. For example in UK you (actually its your employer) pay like 5$ per month (I'm serious!) for Health insurance - with 100% coverage. It is the same coverage for healthy 18 year old, and for 75 year old with cancer. While you are uneployed: the goverment is paying your contributions. You don't need EVER to pay them back. The key point here: healhcare is provided by goverment, so goverment does not escalate the cost of healhcare as in USA - as it would be hurting itself (while in US free market is extorting the money from both the goverment AND patients). In 100% all post soviet countries its similar system: 1. Your employeer pays fixed rate of "healh insurance" for all workers. 2. Its usually the same rate no matter if you have cancer/aids or you are 19yr old. 3. If you are out of job - the goverment is paying such insurace NO MATTER OF WHAT (as long as you are active job seeker). SIMPLE. TL;DR: NO ONE IN EUROPE IS A HOSTAGE TO THE "insurance bills" or "diffrent bills for diffrent people with diffrent health problems". Everyone pays the same, if you are richer you might pay more - but thats just like tax, not based on your health.
krageon 8y ago
Based on the content of your comment, I can tell you with certainty you don't know what you are talking about. Do some actual research before you make outlandish (and wrong) claims please.

mario0b1 8y ago

This passage made me appreciate germanys health care. You can think of germany whatever you want, but the easy access to health care is super glorious. I think a lot of people that live here are not aware of it, because it just happens to be there and they don't have to think about it. The past 2 1/2 years i had to go to so many doctors and I was just happy to live in a country with absolutely beautiful healthcare. But maybe it is bad how the german health system works and I just have been lucky. It's possible, but I don't think so.