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the article has an image captioned 'A screen shot of the Lisa Office System 3.1 (actual resolution)' but the image is from a Mac. The Lisa didn't have an apple

the article has an image captioned 'A screen shot of the Lisa Office System 3.1 (actual resolution)' but the image is from a Mac. The Lisa didn't have an apple menu and used a different font.

mikestew 8y ago
Pretty sure the Lisa didn't have a "Macintosh Finder", either. I suppose it could have been the version of MacWorks for the Lisa that booted a version of Macintosh System 5(?) to run MacWorks XL.
- joezydeco 8y ago
  If you're talking about this image... https://www.inexhibit.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Apple-Lisa-OFfice-System-3.1-screen-shot.jpg https://www.inexhibit.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Apple-L... ...it's definitely in the Lisa aspect ratio and not the Mac (which was about 3:2). And there's also a window named "MacWorks System Disk", so yeah.
  - mikestew 8y ago
    Good catch, I missed the system disk for MacWorks (missed the aspect ratio, too). Definitely booted into emulation mode, then.
  - amyjess 8y ago
    For the record, it credits Nathan Lineback's GUI gallery as the source. Here's the actual source page: http://toastytech.com/guis/lisa3.html http://toastytech.com/guis/lisa3.html > Using the Macworks software, the Lisa can also run Macintosh software. > This screen shot shows the Lisa emulator running the Macintosh operating system using Macworks. Supposedly with a little bit of hardware tweaking a real Apple Lisa can run up to MacOS 7.5.5. > This lets the Lisa run the vast amount of software developed for the earlier Macs. Which was a good thing as there was apparently very little software developed to run natively on the Lisa OS.
    - riccarbi 8y ago
      Hi everyone, I am the guy who wrote that article. Though you have pretty demolished my English ;), I want to thank you all. I apologize for my bad English; yet, your attention, suggestions, and remarks really will help me writing better articles, as well as to improve those I have written in the past. About the grammar / spelling errors. Yes, English is not my first language; I am Italian and, though I'm always trying to make my best to avoid errors and typos, I am aware that something wrong will always come out in my texts. Sometimes it is just a typo (such as weather / whether) which is rather easy to amend. Sometimes what's wrong there are short pieces of texts, phrases, or even entire paragraphs that I wrote thinking in Italian and writing in English, thus clearly revealing that English is not my first language. These are much harder for me to catch, since their grammar is often not totally wrong, strictly speaking; yet, they sound odd or even absurd to a native English speaker. About technical / historical inaccuracies: I am not an IT engineer, I am an architect, and a professor of product design and computer aided design; I am more a tech enthusiast than an IT professional, though I am also an amateur programmer and someone who likes to build his own computers since the 1980s. Therefore, I focus my articles more on product design than on technology; even if I always try to collect as many technical details as I can from reliably sources, I can, and often do, make mistakes. Again, your remarks are highly valuable to me, because they help me correct those inaccurate / wrong information I am giving to my readers, though I made them bona fide. As amyjess correctly pointed out, the screenshot of the Lisa is from the Nathan Lineback's GUI emulator website, I know it's not the best example to show; unfortunately, I haven't able to find a single screenshot of a real Lisa with an acceptable image quality so far. A friend of mine who has been Apple's product manager for both the Lisa and the Macintosh still has a functioning Lisa; I'll ask him to let me take a photo of the GUI on the real machine to replace the one I used. I didn't included the iMac intentionally; by and large, the article is essentially a comparison between the Lisa and the Mac, and I deem the iMac design too different from theirs to be part of that comparison. Yet, I am currently writing an article exclusively focused on the iMac. The circumstances in which Jobs left the Lisa team. Aside from my horrible grammar error :(, I agree with you, daotoad. That point needs to detailed a little more. Therefore, I rewrote the whole paragraph and added a reference. I sincerely apologize for the mistakes I made in that article, hope it looks a bit better now. Again, guys, thank you so much for your help.
- cuspycode 8y ago
  Ah, the memories! I did some third-party development for Macintosh in 1985, and we used Apple Lisas as our development workstations. These Lisas usually booted into Apple Pascal, which looked very much like the UCSD Pascal development environment that was very popular in the early 1980s. But I don't know if Lisa Pascal shared any common code with UCSD. That development environment also included a pretty good 68000 assembler that we made heavy use of. Even before the Lisa was officially rebranded "Macintosh XL", developers could boot the Mac OS and test their programs on their Lisa. This was great, because the Lisa had 1MB memory while the original Mac had only 128k (and later 512k). The only issue was that the Lisa pixels weren't square, so all Mac graphics looked noticeably squished on the Lisa. We also had an issue with the floppy drives on some of the Lisas: their ejection springs were too strong so dragging a floppy to the trash icon sometimes resulted in the floppy disk flying over the office floor.

the article has an image captioned 'A screen shot of the Lisa Office System 3.1 (actual resolution)' but the image is from a Mac. The Lisa didn't have an apple menu and used a different font.

mikestew 8y ago

Pretty sure the Lisa didn't have a "Macintosh Finder", either. I suppose it could have been the version of MacWorks for the Lisa that booted a version of Macintosh System 5(?) to run MacWorks XL.

joezydeco 8y ago
If you're talking about this image... https://www.inexhibit.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Apple-Lisa-OFfice-System-3.1-screen-shot.jpg https://www.inexhibit.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Apple-L... ...it's definitely in the Lisa aspect ratio and not the Mac (which was about 3:2). And there's also a window named "MacWorks System Disk", so yeah.
- mikestew 8y ago
  Good catch, I missed the system disk for MacWorks (missed the aspect ratio, too). Definitely booted into emulation mode, then.
- amyjess 8y ago
  For the record, it credits Nathan Lineback's GUI gallery as the source. Here's the actual source page: http://toastytech.com/guis/lisa3.html http://toastytech.com/guis/lisa3.html > Using the Macworks software, the Lisa can also run Macintosh software. > This screen shot shows the Lisa emulator running the Macintosh operating system using Macworks. Supposedly with a little bit of hardware tweaking a real Apple Lisa can run up to MacOS 7.5.5. > This lets the Lisa run the vast amount of software developed for the earlier Macs. Which was a good thing as there was apparently very little software developed to run natively on the Lisa OS.
  - riccarbi 8y ago
    Hi everyone, I am the guy who wrote that article. Though you have pretty demolished my English ;), I want to thank you all. I apologize for my bad English; yet, your attention, suggestions, and remarks really will help me writing better articles, as well as to improve those I have written in the past. About the grammar / spelling errors. Yes, English is not my first language; I am Italian and, though I'm always trying to make my best to avoid errors and typos, I am aware that something wrong will always come out in my texts. Sometimes it is just a typo (such as weather / whether) which is rather easy to amend. Sometimes what's wrong there are short pieces of texts, phrases, or even entire paragraphs that I wrote thinking in Italian and writing in English, thus clearly revealing that English is not my first language. These are much harder for me to catch, since their grammar is often not totally wrong, strictly speaking; yet, they sound odd or even absurd to a native English speaker. About technical / historical inaccuracies: I am not an IT engineer, I am an architect, and a professor of product design and computer aided design; I am more a tech enthusiast than an IT professional, though I am also an amateur programmer and someone who likes to build his own computers since the 1980s. Therefore, I focus my articles more on product design than on technology; even if I always try to collect as many technical details as I can from reliably sources, I can, and often do, make mistakes. Again, your remarks are highly valuable to me, because they help me correct those inaccurate / wrong information I am giving to my readers, though I made them bona fide. As amyjess correctly pointed out, the screenshot of the Lisa is from the Nathan Lineback's GUI emulator website, I know it's not the best example to show; unfortunately, I haven't able to find a single screenshot of a real Lisa with an acceptable image quality so far. A friend of mine who has been Apple's product manager for both the Lisa and the Macintosh still has a functioning Lisa; I'll ask him to let me take a photo of the GUI on the real machine to replace the one I used. I didn't included the iMac intentionally; by and large, the article is essentially a comparison between the Lisa and the Mac, and I deem the iMac design too different from theirs to be part of that comparison. Yet, I am currently writing an article exclusively focused on the iMac. The circumstances in which Jobs left the Lisa team. Aside from my horrible grammar error :(, I agree with you, daotoad. That point needs to detailed a little more. Therefore, I rewrote the whole paragraph and added a reference. I sincerely apologize for the mistakes I made in that article, hope it looks a bit better now. Again, guys, thank you so much for your help.
cuspycode 8y ago
Ah, the memories! I did some third-party development for Macintosh in 1985, and we used Apple Lisas as our development workstations. These Lisas usually booted into Apple Pascal, which looked very much like the UCSD Pascal development environment that was very popular in the early 1980s. But I don't know if Lisa Pascal shared any common code with UCSD. That development environment also included a pretty good 68000 assembler that we made heavy use of. Even before the Lisa was officially rebranded "Macintosh XL", developers could boot the Mac OS and test their programs on their Lisa. This was great, because the Lisa had 1MB memory while the original Mac had only 128k (and later 512k). The only issue was that the Lisa pixels weren't square, so all Mac graphics looked noticeably squished on the Lisa. We also had an issue with the floppy drives on some of the Lisas: their ejection springs were too strong so dragging a floppy to the trash icon sometimes resulted in the floppy disk flying over the office floor.