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Arnie has been pretty vocal against Trump, respectful but openly defiant. I wonder if this is disciplinary action - turning climate change is very close to Arni

Arnie has been pretty vocal against Trump, respectful but openly defiant. I wonder if this is disciplinary action - turning climate change is very close to Arnie's heart.

joshmn 8y ago
Exactly this. It's merely a petty move. It doesn't benefit the country, it benefits his fragile, classless ego. Has he looked or been otherwise briefed on how these mandates have crippled the American automakers? I'll be damned if he knows more than a talking point or two. Didn't you hear? Those coal miners in West Virginia with black lung disease are losing their jobs because those yuppies in California are buying electric vehicles. He must protect BlockBuster. Hell, subsidize the shovels.
- mrunkel 8y ago
  It “helps” automakers. As it stands now, they only build to the California standards since it is too expensive to build two sets of cars. Until they do away with California’s stricter regulations, the loosening of regulations at the federal level has no effect.
  - zamalek 8y ago
    How many of those are American, though? Loosely regulating American manufacturers only would be more in line with Trump's isolationist tendencies.
    - mrunkel 8y ago
      You mean the auto makers? Well, the Trump administration isn't beholden to the foreign automakers, and the ones from Europe already have to build to strict engine emission standards. There is still plenty of money in Ford, Chevy, etc.
  - atomi 8y ago
    Some California cities used to have some of the worst smog in the world. These regulations and exceptions were put in place to curb that. And considering the trade tariffs on some vehicles the difference could be a wash in terms of margin for car manufacturers. What happens to our clean air?
    - mrunkel 8y ago
      Oh, I agree. I was simply pointing out that as long California has it's stricter emissions rules, it doesn't matter what the EPA regulates since automakers will build to the California market since it is so large. If they remove the exception for California, now the weaker EPA rules are what automakers can work towards. This probably saves the auto manufacturer money. If they Trump administration has a defining principle, it's the removal of regulations.
- chrissnell 8y ago
  Not true--when CA imposes new emissions or efficiency regulations, the automakers are forced to comply to keep access to that huge market. Not wanting to design two different vehicles, they simply comply and pass the cost along to all of the buyers, whether they live in CA or not. The rest of the country has no way to directly affect the CARB's decisions. This exemption, therefore, is very unfair for the rest of us. The administration's policy could have significant impact on the price of vehicles for the rest of us. My diesel truck, for example, has several thousand dollars worth of emissions equipment that my state does not require. It's problematic and I'd love to skip it on my next purchase.
  - Alex3917 8y ago
    > automakers are forced to comply to keep access to that huge market As has already been explained, this is false. These rules are for CARB states, not for California. California is in charge of working with the other states to set the rules.
    - dahdum 8y ago
      Please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the other states only have a say, and not a vote? It's ultimately California's decision what they must accept. Edit: Looked it up, no other states have a vote. 12 governor appointed members and 2 elected members of the CARB board decide.
      - Alex3917 8y ago
        The other states can either accept the federal standard or the CARB standard. The states adopt the California standard because it’s better, not because the feds are forcing them.
      - khuey 8y ago
        The other states have the choice of the CARB standards or the EPA standards.
  - civilitty 8y ago
civilitty 8y ago
"Arnie" has absolutely nothing to do with it. California has been the critical point of failure in the conservatives' attack on the environmental regulations since the 70s. Due to the size of the California economy, CalEPA and California Air Control Board emission standards are the floor for regulatory approval, even if national EPA standards are less strict. This is nothing more than special interests dictating policy, helpfully exposing GOP hypocrisy in its wake. "State's rights" for me when I want to enslave someone, externalize costs, or infringe on civil rights but "federal supremacy" when you don't do what we want.
- olivermarks 8y ago
  The planet follows California bureaucratic edicts, whether it's banning plastic shopping bags or complex legislation on vehicle or power plant emissions, California decisions define other nation states manufacturing and laws...
- socialentp 8y ago
  Agreed. Almost all of his actions can easily be explained by looking at how it is benefiting old money — coal, mining, oil, sugar, cars, cable, telecom etc. He is just helping last century’s industries hold onto their power.

Arnie has been pretty vocal against Trump, respectful but openly defiant. I wonder if this is disciplinary action - turning climate change is very close to Arnie's heart.

joshmn 8y ago

Exactly this. It's merely a petty move. It doesn't benefit the country, it benefits his fragile, classless ego. Has he looked or been otherwise briefed on how these mandates have crippled the American automakers? I'll be damned if he knows more than a talking point or two. Didn't you hear? Those coal miners in West Virginia with black lung disease are losing their jobs because those yuppies in California are buying electric vehicles. He must protect BlockBuster. Hell, subsidize the shovels.

mrunkel 8y ago
It “helps” automakers. As it stands now, they only build to the California standards since it is too expensive to build two sets of cars. Until they do away with California’s stricter regulations, the loosening of regulations at the federal level has no effect.
- zamalek 8y ago
  How many of those are American, though? Loosely regulating American manufacturers only would be more in line with Trump's isolationist tendencies.
  - mrunkel 8y ago
    You mean the auto makers? Well, the Trump administration isn't beholden to the foreign automakers, and the ones from Europe already have to build to strict engine emission standards. There is still plenty of money in Ford, Chevy, etc.
- atomi 8y ago
  Some California cities used to have some of the worst smog in the world. These regulations and exceptions were put in place to curb that. And considering the trade tariffs on some vehicles the difference could be a wash in terms of margin for car manufacturers. What happens to our clean air?
  - mrunkel 8y ago
    Oh, I agree. I was simply pointing out that as long California has it's stricter emissions rules, it doesn't matter what the EPA regulates since automakers will build to the California market since it is so large. If they remove the exception for California, now the weaker EPA rules are what automakers can work towards. This probably saves the auto manufacturer money. If they Trump administration has a defining principle, it's the removal of regulations.
chrissnell 8y ago
Not true--when CA imposes new emissions or efficiency regulations, the automakers are forced to comply to keep access to that huge market. Not wanting to design two different vehicles, they simply comply and pass the cost along to all of the buyers, whether they live in CA or not. The rest of the country has no way to directly affect the CARB's decisions. This exemption, therefore, is very unfair for the rest of us. The administration's policy could have significant impact on the price of vehicles for the rest of us. My diesel truck, for example, has several thousand dollars worth of emissions equipment that my state does not require. It's problematic and I'd love to skip it on my next purchase.
- Alex3917 8y ago
  > automakers are forced to comply to keep access to that huge market As has already been explained, this is false. These rules are for CARB states, not for California. California is in charge of working with the other states to set the rules.
  - dahdum 8y ago
    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the other states only have a say, and not a vote? It's ultimately California's decision what they must accept. Edit: Looked it up, no other states have a vote. 12 governor appointed members and 2 elected members of the CARB board decide.
    - Alex3917 8y ago
      The other states can either accept the federal standard or the CARB standard. The states adopt the California standard because it’s better, not because the feds are forcing them.
    - khuey 8y ago
      The other states have the choice of the CARB standards or the EPA standards.
- civilitty 8y ago

civilitty 8y ago

"Arnie" has absolutely nothing to do with it. California has been the critical point of failure in the conservatives' attack on the environmental regulations since the 70s. Due to the size of the California economy, CalEPA and California Air Control Board emission standards are the floor for regulatory approval, even if national EPA standards are less strict. This is nothing more than special interests dictating policy, helpfully exposing GOP hypocrisy in its wake. "State's rights" for me when I want to enslave someone, externalize costs, or infringe on civil rights but "federal supremacy" when you don't do what we want.

olivermarks 8y ago
The planet follows California bureaucratic edicts, whether it's banning plastic shopping bags or complex legislation on vehicle or power plant emissions, California decisions define other nation states manufacturing and laws...
socialentp 8y ago
Agreed. Almost all of his actions can easily be explained by looking at how it is benefiting old money — coal, mining, oil, sugar, cars, cable, telecom etc. He is just helping last century’s industries hold onto their power.