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Could you elaborate about the salaries for remote workers? I'm a frontend developer in southern Europe and I'd love to work for Gitlab because I love the produc

by fqb 8y ago

Could you elaborate about the salaries for remote workers? I'm a frontend developer in southern Europe and I'd love to work for Gitlab because I love the product.

foepys 8y ago
You can read everything about it here: https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-compensation/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-c... They once had a online calculator where you put in your location (basically only SF, non-SF US, and outside US) and position but apparently they switched to another model that includes employee performance and other factors.
tempay 8y ago
Example: https://about.gitlab.com/job-families/engineering/developer/#compensation https://about.gitlab.com/job-families/engineering/developer/... Full details are here: https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-compensation/#compensation-calculator https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-c...
- IshKebab 8y ago
  Not great pay - very interesting to see a direct comparison of pay levels in different locations though, e.g. Scotland pays 1/3 of New York.
  - danpalmer 8y ago
    I think it comes down to their policy of adjusting to provide the same quality of life, which I disagree with for remote companies. Their London salaries are fine, but one of the main reasons for me working remotely would be to increase my quality of life by living more remotely but still earning a London-like salary. Otherwise you've moved away from many conveniences, will likely have to pay much more for travel, but will still have to live with the quality of housing you could afford in the city.
    - sleepychu 8y ago
      Yeah this is very much discouraging you from living in a low cost of living area. After all, compensation should be about the value of the work you're doing. Not the value of the money to you. If we experience high deflation, should my salary go down?!
- Aissen 8y ago
  Thanks, this made me discover that GitLab doesn't hire everywhere it seems; these countries are excluded: Brazil, Crimea, Cuba, France, Iran, Ireland, Japan, North Korea, Portugal, South Korea, Spain, Sudan, Sweden, Syria https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/faq/#country-hiring-guidelines https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/faq/#country-hiring-guidelines
  - fqb 8y ago
    Seems like my country it's excluded. Gotta look for another company then
  - adrinavarro 8y ago
    I wonder why Spain, France, Portugal, Ireland, Sweden… are excluded, but not Germany or the United Kingdom or many other EU countries.
    - leipert 8y ago
      Disclaimer: Working for GitLab since March. Several countries are on hiring stop currently, mainly those that you have listed. This is due to administrative reasons, as people from those countries work as contractors, as we have no entities there. In Europe we currently have an entity in NL, BE, UK and DE. Furthermore we have an Indian, Chinese and of course US entity.
      - Aissen 8y ago
        The page specifies that even contractors from these countries are excluded.
        icebraining 8y ago
        I think leipert is saying that people from those countries only work as contractors, and that involves specific administrative problems/burden which Gitlab can't cope with at the moment.
        nadiav1 8y ago
- dspillett 8y ago
  The QoL adjustments seem less granular than needed in the UK. "Everywhere else in England" covers a wide range of living conditions/costs. Areas like York & Harrogate are far more expensive to live in than the not-all-that-far-away Grimsby & Hull, to give one of many possible examples. If you are going to change what you pay geographically, I would suggest you need more local variance to do it properly.
nathan_f77 8y ago
I don't have any first-hand experience, and I'm sure there are exceptions. I've heard that GitLab will pay around $80k for a remote software engineer in a country with a low cost-of-living. That engineer could be earning $150k-$250k at a different company (e.g. Basecamp, GitHub, etc.) I realize that $80k is a lot of money for Europe/UK/Asia/South America/rest of the US. But if you're a top engineer, you could double or triple your income by working for a different company (or as a consultant.) I should mention that I don't have any problem with GitLab's compensation, and I think it's actually pretty fair. But fair doesn't really matter. A top engineer will just go to the company that pays more. I'm sure GitLab has a lot of great engineers, but just based on their compensation, I'm pretty sure it's not one of the best engineering teams in the world. Here's a few references/articles/job boards: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10924957 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10924957 * https://dev.to/sam_ferree/why-i-think-cost-of-living-pay-for-remote-workers-is-bs-5b68 https://dev.to/sam_ferree/why-i-think-cost-of-living-pay-for... (see some of the comments in there) * https://m.signalvnoise.com/basecamp-doesnt-employ-anyone-in-san-francisco-but-now-we-pay-everyone-as-though-all-did-3ee87013cfc2 https://m.signalvnoise.com/basecamp-doesnt-employ-anyone-in-... * https://weworkremotely.com https://weworkremotely.com * https://remoteok.io https://remoteok.io
- fqb 8y ago
  Thank you for the information
- maccard 8y ago
  They have a calculator [0] The same job, with the same experience is paid less than half what it is in SF in the UK. That's not really very enticing. https://about.gitlab.com/job-families/engineering/developer/#compensation https://about.gitlab.com/job-families/engineering/developer/...
  - kabes 8y ago
    I don't know how they came to that calculator. But it seems that someone in Ethiopia would earn $20k more than someone in the Netherlands (outside of Amsterdam)
- 8y ago

by fqb 8y ago

Could you elaborate about the salaries for remote workers? I'm a frontend developer in southern Europe and I'd love to work for Gitlab because I love the product.

foepys 8y ago

You can read everything about it here: https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-compensation/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-c... They once had a online calculator where you put in your location (basically only SF, non-SF US, and outside US) and position but apparently they switched to another model that includes employee performance and other factors.

tempay 8y ago

Example: https://about.gitlab.com/job-families/engineering/developer/#compensation https://about.gitlab.com/job-families/engineering/developer/... Full details are here: https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-compensation/#compensation-calculator https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-c...

IshKebab 8y ago
Not great pay - very interesting to see a direct comparison of pay levels in different locations though, e.g. Scotland pays 1/3 of New York.
- danpalmer 8y ago
  I think it comes down to their policy of adjusting to provide the same quality of life, which I disagree with for remote companies. Their London salaries are fine, but one of the main reasons for me working remotely would be to increase my quality of life by living more remotely but still earning a London-like salary. Otherwise you've moved away from many conveniences, will likely have to pay much more for travel, but will still have to live with the quality of housing you could afford in the city.
  - sleepychu 8y ago
    Yeah this is very much discouraging you from living in a low cost of living area. After all, compensation should be about the value of the work you're doing. Not the value of the money to you. If we experience high deflation, should my salary go down?!
Aissen 8y ago
Thanks, this made me discover that GitLab doesn't hire everywhere it seems; these countries are excluded: Brazil, Crimea, Cuba, France, Iran, Ireland, Japan, North Korea, Portugal, South Korea, Spain, Sudan, Sweden, Syria https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/faq/#country-hiring-guidelines https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/faq/#country-hiring-guidelines
- fqb 8y ago
  Seems like my country it's excluded. Gotta look for another company then
- adrinavarro 8y ago
  I wonder why Spain, France, Portugal, Ireland, Sweden… are excluded, but not Germany or the United Kingdom or many other EU countries.
  - leipert 8y ago
    Disclaimer: Working for GitLab since March. Several countries are on hiring stop currently, mainly those that you have listed. This is due to administrative reasons, as people from those countries work as contractors, as we have no entities there. In Europe we currently have an entity in NL, BE, UK and DE. Furthermore we have an Indian, Chinese and of course US entity.
    - Aissen 8y ago
      The page specifies that even contractors from these countries are excluded.
      - icebraining 8y ago
        I think leipert is saying that people from those countries only work as contractors, and that involves specific administrative problems/burden which Gitlab can't cope with at the moment.
      - nadiav1 8y ago
dspillett 8y ago
The QoL adjustments seem less granular than needed in the UK. "Everywhere else in England" covers a wide range of living conditions/costs. Areas like York & Harrogate are far more expensive to live in than the not-all-that-far-away Grimsby & Hull, to give one of many possible examples. If you are going to change what you pay geographically, I would suggest you need more local variance to do it properly.

nathan_f77 8y ago

I don't have any first-hand experience, and I'm sure there are exceptions. I've heard that GitLab will pay around $80k for a remote software engineer in a country with a low cost-of-living. That engineer could be earning $150k-$250k at a different company (e.g. Basecamp, GitHub, etc.) I realize that $80k is a lot of money for Europe/UK/Asia/South America/rest of the US. But if you're a top engineer, you could double or triple your income by working for a different company (or as a consultant.) I should mention that I don't have any problem with GitLab's compensation, and I think it's actually pretty fair. But fair doesn't really matter. A top engineer will just go to the company that pays more. I'm sure GitLab has a lot of great engineers, but just based on their compensation, I'm pretty sure it's not one of the best engineering teams in the world. Here's a few references/articles/job boards: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10924957 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10924957 * https://dev.to/sam_ferree/why-i-think-cost-of-living-pay-for-remote-workers-is-bs-5b68 https://dev.to/sam_ferree/why-i-think-cost-of-living-pay-for... (see some of the comments in there) * https://m.signalvnoise.com/basecamp-doesnt-employ-anyone-in-san-francisco-but-now-we-pay-everyone-as-though-all-did-3ee87013cfc2 https://m.signalvnoise.com/basecamp-doesnt-employ-anyone-in-... * https://weworkremotely.com https://weworkremotely.com * https://remoteok.io https://remoteok.io

fqb 8y ago
Thank you for the information
maccard 8y ago
They have a calculator [0] The same job, with the same experience is paid less than half what it is in SF in the UK. That's not really very enticing. https://about.gitlab.com/job-families/engineering/developer/#compensation https://about.gitlab.com/job-families/engineering/developer/...
- kabes 8y ago
  I don't know how they came to that calculator. But it seems that someone in Ethiopia would earn $20k more than someone in the Netherlands (outside of Amsterdam)
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