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The world are always evolving. Nothing sad about this. This is like saying young people can't use abacus anymore. These new generation of young people will grow

by matz1 8y ago

The world are always evolving. Nothing sad about this. This is like saying young people can't use abacus anymore. These new generation of young people will grow up and with new kind of input method or paradigim. Who knows maybe the traditional way of programming with keyboard will evolve to something completely different for the next generation of people.

arnaudsm 8y ago
There are strong implications to this change. PCs are (almost) open platforms, with control, and oriented to create content. While Phones are closed, made for content consumption, and frequently don't even have a file browser.
posting2fast 8y ago
As a CCC speaker said [0], the window of people having seen both, of having seen the basic and simple beginnings, and who even have the option of understanding how it all works together, is very small. The people who get born now just get handed a little glowing brick they swipe around on. They need to be teached what that thing is, so that they [and those that come after them] don't just wander about the planet with these little magical boards, with all power resting with those that program these restricted devices for them. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg7snecRoMs&t=43m35s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg7snecRoMs&t=43m35s You're not more progressive if you slide back from the above, just because the date in the calendar has increased. You're certainly not more progressive if you can't slide back from it because you haven't even realized it yet. If a majority of people follows a pied piper into a mountain, then a majority of people will be lost. It will not magically transform a trap, a dead end, into "the new way forward". You're just demonstrating how completely oblivious, and how recklessly bold because of it, so many are. Last but not least, with "evolution" come watershed moments, it's not just smooth sailing from peak to peak -- that's a movie, not evolution. > If people cannot write well, they cannot think well, and if they cannot think well, others will do their thinking for them. -- George Orwell That is all that matters. You can write well with a touch screen, you can write badly with a keyboard. But to the degree things get reduced to references or icons, thought does end up suffering.
TangoTrotFox 8y ago
I think your statement would be completely appropriate if we were talking about something like a futuristic device like a 'neural lace' that enabled you to input using your brain at an extremely high rate and with minimal to no effort. Calculators and abacuses do the exact same thing, but calculators enable it to be done vastly more quickly and easily. In this case touch screens are simply vastly inferior for the vast majority of all tasks. At best, they're something different. At worst, they're a textbook example of artificial demand [1] for a mediocre technology driven by highly effective marketing. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_demand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_demand

by matz1 8y ago

arnaudsm 8y ago

There are strong implications to this change. PCs are (almost) open platforms, with control, and oriented to create content. While Phones are closed, made for content consumption, and frequently don't even have a file browser.

posting2fast 8y ago

As a CCC speaker said [0], the window of people having seen both, of having seen the basic and simple beginnings, and who even have the option of understanding how it all works together, is very small. The people who get born now just get handed a little glowing brick they swipe around on. They need to be teached what that thing is, so that they [and those that come after them] don't just wander about the planet with these little magical boards, with all power resting with those that program these restricted devices for them. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg7snecRoMs&t=43m35s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg7snecRoMs&t=43m35s You're not more progressive if you slide back from the above, just because the date in the calendar has increased. You're certainly not more progressive if you can't slide back from it because you haven't even realized it yet. If a majority of people follows a pied piper into a mountain, then a majority of people will be lost. It will not magically transform a trap, a dead end, into "the new way forward". You're just demonstrating how completely oblivious, and how recklessly bold because of it, so many are. Last but not least, with "evolution" come watershed moments, it's not just smooth sailing from peak to peak -- that's a movie, not evolution. > If people cannot write well, they cannot think well, and if they cannot think well, others will do their thinking for them. -- George Orwell That is all that matters. You can write well with a touch screen, you can write badly with a keyboard. But to the degree things get reduced to references or icons, thought does end up suffering.

TangoTrotFox 8y ago

I think your statement would be completely appropriate if we were talking about something like a futuristic device like a 'neural lace' that enabled you to input using your brain at an extremely high rate and with minimal to no effort. Calculators and abacuses do the exact same thing, but calculators enable it to be done vastly more quickly and easily. In this case touch screens are simply vastly inferior for the vast majority of all tasks. At best, they're something different. At worst, they're a textbook example of artificial demand [1] for a mediocre technology driven by highly effective marketing. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_demand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_demand