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have no problem whatsoever with female-only gyms and the like i'm speculating that what they're mad at isn't the fact that there are all-male facilities, but i

have no problem whatsoever with female-only gyms and the like i'm speculating that what they're mad at isn't the fact that there are all-male facilities, but it's how women are treated when they enter said facilities (i.e., like pieces of meat). i think you can fairly call them hypocritical if they attend female-only gyms where every male that enters is only viewed as a sex object

bpodgursky 16y ago
I don't actually think that would be a problem for most men.
- pgbovine 16y ago
  uh, ok without this thread devolving into 4chan ... i doubt that you (or most men) would want to be demeaned and treated like a sex object by a bunch of women whom you find utterly repulsive. maybe a better way to think about this is: replace 'women' with 'massive prisoners', and 'gym' with 'prison'. how many men do you know would appreciate that?
  - jcnnghm 16y ago
    I've gone to the gym an average of over 200 times a year for the last seven years, and I have yet to see a woman demeaned in some kind of prison-esque situation. The plural of anecdote isn't data, but thats a lot of anecdotes from lots of people and places. In fact, the only awkward gender situation I've encountered was a time when a woman asked me to stop using the leg press I was using, and remove the weight, so she could use it. On it's face this seems simple enough, but I had 600lbs on the machine at the time, and taking it off and getting it back on is a workout in itself. I started moving the weights after I explained that I only had one more set, when a trainer came over and told me to finish up, and explained to her it was too much to move, just impractical when I would be done in a minute. I'm sure she views that as some kind of demeaning situation, but the trainer and I both saw it as her being unreasonably demanding, probably without realizing it herself.
    - pgbovine 16y ago
      oh sorry i don't think i made my point clear. i didn't mean to say that primarily-male gyms were misogynist. i was referencing the supposedly misogynist frat parties portrayed in the movie and saying that an equivalent form of sexism might be an all-women's gym (or social club) where men were treated like sex objects. one of the parents said something to the effect of "heh heh men would like being treated like that", to which i responded, "ummm, not really". ok this is silly and off-topic by now :)
earl 16y ago
Demanding single sex accommodations for your gender while being strongly opposed to single sex accommodations for the opposite gender is, bluntly, horseshit. If women have a problem with they way they're treated in gyms, they're free to start gyms where such behavior is against the rules. They're just shouldn't be free to ban you for being male.

bpodgursky 16y ago

I don't actually think that would be a problem for most men.

pgbovine 16y ago
uh, ok without this thread devolving into 4chan ... i doubt that you (or most men) would want to be demeaned and treated like a sex object by a bunch of women whom you find utterly repulsive. maybe a better way to think about this is: replace 'women' with 'massive prisoners', and 'gym' with 'prison'. how many men do you know would appreciate that?
- jcnnghm 16y ago
  I've gone to the gym an average of over 200 times a year for the last seven years, and I have yet to see a woman demeaned in some kind of prison-esque situation. The plural of anecdote isn't data, but thats a lot of anecdotes from lots of people and places. In fact, the only awkward gender situation I've encountered was a time when a woman asked me to stop using the leg press I was using, and remove the weight, so she could use it. On it's face this seems simple enough, but I had 600lbs on the machine at the time, and taking it off and getting it back on is a workout in itself. I started moving the weights after I explained that I only had one more set, when a trainer came over and told me to finish up, and explained to her it was too much to move, just impractical when I would be done in a minute. I'm sure she views that as some kind of demeaning situation, but the trainer and I both saw it as her being unreasonably demanding, probably without realizing it herself.
  - pgbovine 16y ago
    oh sorry i don't think i made my point clear. i didn't mean to say that primarily-male gyms were misogynist. i was referencing the supposedly misogynist frat parties portrayed in the movie and saying that an equivalent form of sexism might be an all-women's gym (or social club) where men were treated like sex objects. one of the parents said something to the effect of "heh heh men would like being treated like that", to which i responded, "ummm, not really". ok this is silly and off-topic by now :)

earl 16y ago

Demanding single sex accommodations for your gender while being strongly opposed to single sex accommodations for the opposite gender is, bluntly, horseshit. If women have a problem with they way they're treated in gyms, they're free to start gyms where such behavior is against the rules. They're just shouldn't be free to ban you for being male.